Well done Lawrence Fox!

Opal your post is ableist, ill informed and intellectually and factually lacking. Just for starters, it wasn’t able bodied people who fought for rights for disabled people but disabled peope. Your post demonstrates that you simply don’t get the fact that many many disabled people are able to live more independent lives and earn a living because of changes in legislation fought for by disabled people. There is much more to do for example ensuring the implementation and monitoring of legislation but your post portrays disabled people in a very negative, patronising way as the passive recipients of the benefits accruing from the hard work and efforts of able bodied people. I can’t speak for all disabilities as I said previously but I know from my lived experience that there are things that I’m able to do ( or have been able to do) because of legislation and many other things that I would be able to do/experience if either legislation were enforced or if people like me had been involved at the planning stage.

Can't stand Lawrence Fox, and I thought he was very arrogant on Question Time.

The car crash that is LF is one of the more entertaining aspects of the media atm. He has berated the director of 1917 for including a Sikh soldier calling it institutionalised racism. Some of us just call it for what it is, a factually correct representation of the huge number of soldiers from the Indian sub continent who fought for his freedom to be a complete prick.

So he truly has a problem then

And here is more food for thought how some are even discriminated against by those purporting to support and celebrate disabled sportspeople.
www.mencap.org.uk/press-release/paralympics-exclude-people-learning-disability-over-three-quarters-sports-mencap

Being economically productive is not the purpose of life - people whose disabilities make it impossible for them to be economically productive are not to be dismissed as mere recipients of society's largesse.

Lucky I was reacting to Opals post which portrayed in a very ableist manner a stereotype of disabled people as being passively dependent on able bodied people. As you say, disabled people who are not economically productive are not to be dismissed either. My point is much wider than being able to work, as important as that is, but about all aspects of a disabled person’s life being as full and enabled as possible. Ableism impedes this.

And he can’t even sing in tune. He really is a joke, isn’t he?

suziewoozie you are not reacting, you are overreacting, and adding your own interpretation on what Opal said, spouting a whole load of misinformation which is utterly dreary to read.

Chestnut your post just beautifully illustrates your complete inability to hold a reasoned, rational, informed discussion on ableism. And can’t Opal post for herself?

Please, do start a very interesting discussion on ableism and the rights of disabled people- and could we here stick to the OP. Please. The link is there, I can see- but mixing both is just not helpful. Thanks.

Why is not being able to sing in tune a joke? It is very humiliating and disabling when you can’t join in and have to either stand silently. Or you do attempt to sing and people like Suziewoozie laugh at you.

Very ableist.

No she isn't Chestnut I should introduce you to some of my disability rights activist friends, compared with them suzie is perfectly polite. They'd wipe the floor with anyone who said the things that have been said on here and then run their wheelchairs over them. They believe in direct action and don't stand for the sort of condescending clap trap that has been posted on this thread.
suziewoozie thanks for the info about LF. He is an arse. I used to fancy his dad like mad, but he had issues and got religion for a bit I believe. Maybe LF just needs help.

So telling, that a link that shows disabled discrimination against some differently disabled elicits not a single response. Oh well.......

Perhaps because my disabled grandson fits firmly in the disregarded section I am more aware.

Eglantine your post is making fun of the serious issue of ableism. Shame on you. You damn well know that not being able to sing in tune is.not a disability. . I can’t sing in tune but unlike LF I’m not attempting to make a career out ot singing/songwriting.

suziewoozie I was just reading about the criticism about a Sikh soldier in 1917. What on earth is he going on about? There were loads of Sikh soldiers in the Indian Army in both world wars - and very brave they were too.

I can't help wondering if Fox has some kind of agenda or a problem of some sort. He seems to have been on Twitter most of the time since he was on QT writing stuff even more outrageous than Trump does.

If white people are always seen as oppressors does that mean that black people will always view themselves as oppressed. If so how will we ever move forward. Sorry if I I am being overly simplistic. Growing up I had many West Indian friends and that’s what we were friends.

I totally disagree. Not being able to sing in tune is a disability that affects people in their everyday life. It is often part of being tone deaf which is also very disabling.

Just because it is a disability that you do not understand doesn’t mean you should make fun of people who suffer from it.

Or is only your disability that counts.

I followed your link jan and I did actually already know about the issue. With disability discrimination, there are of course the overarching issues that are about attitudes, culture, societal obligations etc etc and then the specific issues relevant to specific types of disability. I feel I can only comment on the overarching issues and on my specific issues which are mobility related. What I do believe though is that if we were a less ableist society in general, we’d develop a greater awareness and understanding of the whole range of disabilities.

It’s shocking that on GN a poster thinks it’s fine to trivialise the issue by stating that singing out of tune is a disability. We’ve a long way to go.

If I said someone who wasn’t able to distinguish colour was a joke, you’d be up in arms. But having a hearing disability makes it ok to poke fun?

Please tell me how not being able to sing in tune affects your everyday life. FFS. If you think it does, then you have no idea about what disability means. I think I have to say that your able bodied privilege is showing

Not being able to sing in tune is not having a hearing disability in any meaningful sense of the words. FFS

It is a disability, Just one that you think doesn’t count.

You are ableist. Of the worst kind because you dismiss those with disabilities that you don’t care about,

And how do you know I am able bodied. I have a registered disability.

Your anger and bitterness is so sad.