Well done Lawrence Fox!

Laurence Fox has resonated with some, simply because we now live in an age where certain thoughts and opinions cannot be expressed. Universities are an example. In more tolerant times it would have been the norm for say Germaine Greer to be invited as a guest speaker, put forward her stance on what is thought by some, as a controversial stance on sexual identity and debate it. Now the argument is simply shut down. In other scenarios if you happen to be white, male even a biological woman, depending on the context, those groups are synononymous with privilege and as such shouldn't have an input.

However, it seems that LF has now gone into "run away train mode" popping up all over the place, can't help feeling these appearances are fueled by his vociferous critics with their "you are a white privileged male so shut up"

I certainly don't agree with everything he makes pronouncements on, in particular the references to the "Sikh" presence in the "1917" film. There are many historical accounts of the active roles Commonwealth soldiers played in both world wars.

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I am very uneasy about actors etc pronouncing on everything as if they have some superior insight.
Of course they are entitled to their opinion, but it is precisely that.
Whether a Shakespearean actor or one of the Chuckle Brothers makes not a blind bit of difference.
The only advantages thespians have is that they are well known to the general public and may have the ability, because of their training, to express themselves fluently.

Maw the general rule on GN on celebs voicing political opinions is that it is a dreadful thing. Of course that was when it was celebs voicing views perceived as left wing. Now it’s right wing LF , it is of course, a wonderful thing.

...........still can't get over Lily Allen's fab tweet "people are sick of listening to entitled luvies" apropos of fantastic Mr Fox on QT x million

Self awareness courses............are there any for an -- entitled, white, privileged, Bedales educated, opinionated luvie-- justifiably concerned high profile woman about the state of this fascist hell hole she still chooses is forced to live in

As for your last sentence Maw I think it’s clear it doesn’t apply to dear old LF.

still can't get over Lily Allen's fab tweet "people are sick of listening to entitled luvies" apropos of fantastic Mr Fox on QT x million

And a few more from me!

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Maw the general rule on GN on celebs voicing political opinions is that it is a dreadful thing. Of course that was when it was celebs voicing views perceived as left wing. Now it’s right wing LF , it is of course, a wonderful thing
I don’t give a monkey’s where the views are voiced, I was speaking in general - Emma Thompson, Lily Allen, Stephen Fry, LF - whoever and wherever.

Here’s an example from a past thread

‘Why does anyone give any weight to anything that celebs say? Lily Allen and Russell Brand are two that spring to mind.’

Somehow it’s different when you agree with the celebs views??

I know you were Maw I was calling out the hypocrisy of the general position of the average member of the LF fan club

I was more irritated by LF's comment about the Sikh soldier shown in a wagon carrying soldiers to another fighting place. Most of us know that many soldiers from various parts of the Empire/Commonwealth fought alongside the British allies in both WorldWars. Inevitably, regiments were scattered and it wouldn't have been impossible to have an Indian/West Indian sitting with a predominantly white group of soldiers.
I may have missed some of what Fox said when he elaborated, but his initial quote was to dismiss the notion of a Sikh in WW1.
It seems highly unlikely he consulted wikipedia like someone up thread, to confirm that Sikh regiments weren't in the area where the story of 1917 is set.
He comes over as a not terribly bright, overprivileged man with a sense of entitlement and a view of his own importance that vastly exceeds any worth he may have.

I don't think Russell Brand was a great addition to QT, anymore that LF was, particularly when he told the audience "don't vote for any of them politicians" which he reneged on later by endorsing Labour.

Happily these days, he's gone really, really quiet a combination of many things I imagine, a complicated man bun to attend to, advising Caroline Flack on how to be a better shot when hurling bedside lamps at boyfriends, I hear he told her to get out of the country in the aftermath of that, great advice Russell! maybe brushing up on his grammar should he make a QT comeback.......oh and nearly forgot a couple of kids as well! Or he could even be out in the golf course his father-in-law was a famous golfer, according to my husband and he'd know. All good I'd say, just glad he's found his niche, after a lifetime of shagging and drugs lots and lots of girlfriends and substances

When watching some morning T.V which had Piers Morgan on the producers decided to wheel out the very slated Lawrence Fox, oh no I thought was has he said now.

Once again he is now spouting how in his opinion the makers of the film "17" who he says showed just one "Sikh" soldier fighting alongside the regiment in the war were being racist to make us see that although we had white fighters that a sikh was also a fighter.
Piers Morgan did not agree with him and told him I think you have got it wrong.
Mr. Morgan also asked L.F. how are his work commitments going after Q.T. MR. Fox said work is okay he also proudly
announced he stands by all he said on Q.T.
He did however look for the sympathy card he stated "I have a son" and all this has given me some insomnia as I have had death threats.
OH DIDDUMS that's what you get for throwing your dummy out of the pram.
As for his views on no racism and the fact he lived on a council estate he is talking out of his b******e.
Once again where I live very close proximity there has been another murder (no not even a council estate) and nice people area and passing these places on daily basis is what people have to do this is "real " U.K. not some idiot like him talking rubbish.

I haven't seen "1917" yet, so don't know how relevant the particular regiment is to the story. From what I understand, it's more about two individuals and the fighting is the context and a backdrop (could be wrong). I wonder how LF would have reacted if the whole regiment had been a Sikh one. I still don't understand how one Sikh soldier makes Sam Mendes "institutionally racist", as LF claims. In the original interview, he claimed that it distracted him from the whole story, which seems ridiculous.

PS. I'm not a Russell Brand fan either, but he's not the one being discussed.

I agree with you Iam64. The film isn't a documentary and I don't suppose it claims to be historically accurate. The same could be said about any film with a historical setting.

grow I expect it’s very easy to distract LF

Maw the general rule on GN on celebs voicing political opinions is that it is a dreadful thing. Of course that was when it was celebs voicing views perceived as left wing. Now it’s right wing LF , it is of course, a wonderful thing.

I think it's because it's one over-privileged, public school educated luvvie pronouncing on another over-privileged, public school luvvie that was so hilarious.

No matter their message.

The thing I found confusing about Lily Allen's comment was how she was tired of 'entitled luvvies' going on TV to force their opinions etc etc

But which entitled luvvies does she refer to?

From what I've seen, LF is quite rare.

It seems that the majority of 'entitled luvvies' tend to have a similar mindset to herself

Anything said by Lily Allen can safely and immediately be dismissed as drivel.

I'm not a fan of Lily Allen either!!! Is comparing luvvie speak the new national pastime now people have got a bit bored with Harry and Meghan?

Is there really nothing else going on in the country or the world?

I am not a fan of Lilly Allen as it seems others are of that opinion as well. In our house we have a pet name for her
it's "Silly Allen " so the little entitled luvvie can trot on and go somewhere else.

There's loads going on growstuff and I have posted links on a couple of threads but, because they go against the majority view on the thread, they've been ignored.
Or perhaps posters have read the links and dismissed them.

But never mind, I'm used to being ignored.

This thread is NOT about Lilly Allen.

I don't think LF's career will survive this, actually.

Lily Allen is involved in the saga now