Well done Lawrence Fox!

Terribull going back a few posts to your latter remarks re: Sikhs in ww1 I think what Laurence Fox was objecting to was tokenism in films accurate or not, it was the same in Darkest Hour concerning Churchill, it’s patronising!!!

LF has already said that he didn’t realise Sikhs had fought in WW1 - that was the basis of his original stupid comment. And why is it patronising to portray diversity? Your white privilege is showing Sycamore

I think a lot of people think that putting a 'token' person of colour in dramas is patronising.

I also think tokenism is patronising.
I've seen 1917 and the Sikh soldier in question.
I assumed that his inclusion was historically accurate and did not question it.
It's a fact that Sikhs fought in WW1 so why SHOULD we question it?

And LF should keep his mouth shut now as he's looking more ill-informed and foolish by the day.

Suziewoozie your post is contradictory - read it

The fact is that much of history has been witten by white people and the role of anyone of colour has been totally overlooked. It ties in unfortunately to the right wing idea that there was once a time when some societies were exclusively white, whereas in fact there have been all sorts of people living in this country for a very long time. You only have to look at the history of Mary Seacole and you realise so much has been wiped out. What you are calling tokenism is in fact an attempt to portray society as it actually was.

Syc ????

At lest 74,000 Indian troops died in WW1.
Trisher is absolutely right to criticise those who accuse Sam Mendez of tokenism. His film showed a number of black troops, as well as the Sikh travelling in the wagon with other troops.
Until relatively recently history was largely written by white men, from middle/upper class, that is, privileged backgrounds.
I applaud attempts to show that black, ethnic, minority soldiers were fighting with Britain in WW1 and WW2

The whole point of this thread sadly Iam is about defending LF because he trashed the idea that there was any racism in the coverage of MM. Any facts or rational arguments will cut absolutely no ice at all as the support for LF is based on prejudice and ignorance.

Well of course you're right suziewoozie. Anyone who thinks differently to you is ignorant, stupid, ridiculous, uniformed, and should be ashamed of themselves. This is what you regularly accuse other GN posters of. You are without question the only person who talks sense, is intelligent and informed and is always right.

That’s a bit of an exaggeration Chestnut but on LF I’m a 100% right.?

But you're always 100% right sooziewoozie. And as you keep telling us we are all sooooo stupid and ignorant if we disagree!

Ooohhh you are in a strop Chestnut

Not at all, just stating the truth as you see it.

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trisher ''It is dreadful jura2 but reading the comments under it is hilarious. I advise anyone to turn the volume down and just read. It's a great laugh.''

oh my, thanks. Glad they all agree. I heard Cohen at the IofW almost 50 years ago - and fell in love with his music. LF is just so so dreadful- anyone compairing him to Cohen must be tone deaf

suziewoozie LF didn’t trash the idea that there wasn’t any racism in the coverage of MM.
Rachel Boyle said let’s call it what it is it’s racism and he said no it’s not.
She did not say racism has something to do with it and he didn’t say racism has nothing to do with it. She implied it was only racism and he said not it isn’t. Which is not the same as saying racism has nothing to do with it.

Well he could have said that- explained what he meant. He did not and his response was rude and OTT- and provoked a strong reaction from someone who has much experience of what it feels like, personally and through family and friends.

Yes jura he could have said that and equally Rachel Boyle could have said something different but she didn’t. She implied quite strongly that racism was the whole problem.
If I thought it was the whole problem I would say so but I can’t help feeling that some of it is to do with the fact that Megan is an independent woman who had a good career and was used to making her own mind up about what she did and when. I can imagine that coming to a different country and being the centre of attention for a while then being advised/told that you can’t do this or that or behave in this or that way because you are a member of the royal family would be a very difficult situation for her. I know that there was an element of racism in the news coverage. There are a number of racist people in this country who write, post, say dreadful and awful things about others because of their colour, creed, religion views etc but I do think a vast number of people here were happy for Harry to have found love and married someone who cared for him.
I am really sorry it has come to this with them leaving to live in Canada because, although I am sure it will make Megan happy I am not sure it will be the same for Harry.
We do have racist people in this country just like there is racism in every corner of the world. Wherever there are people there will be someone looking out to put someone down or belittle them. You don’t have to have a different colour skin or be born in a certain part of the world to be subjected to cruelty or bullying, you just have to be seen to be a bit different by some and that’s all it needs for some to subject others to unkindness.

Doodle that is the best, most sensible and erudite post I've seen on this thread so far. Amid all the accusations and counter accusations; faux outrage and insults hurled about which newspaper is read; your post is honest, factual and by far the most considerate.

Thank you chewy. ?

I agree doodle, and yes it is a irrefutable fact, that some groups of 'being different' have been targetted for Centuries.

That sums it all up very well, Doodle

And let's all those who choose not to recognise the racist element off the hook. The woman on QT was right.There is racism in this country and some of the MSM pander to it because they know that the majority of their readership have some racist views. Until people choose to condemn that they are effectively enabling racism to continue. "Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” John Stuart Mill

Of course people like Trisher will always see racism everywhere because that’s what you want to see. I don’t think anyone on thus thread has denied there is racism in this country but some of us don’t believe that every time someone of colour is the subject of criticism it’s down to racism.