Well done Lawrence Fox!

Troops from all over the then Empire fought in both world wars as they did for other countries, the French in particular, who also had colonies, it wasn't just the British! These troops had their own regiments especially in WW1, but were often seconded to other regiments for various operational reasons. My grandfather was in the Ox & Bucks L.I, in 1915, but seconded to another regiment in 1918 and posted to Dublin and from there decommissioned in early 1919. L.F was perhaps unaware of these arrangements which included all troops and all ranks.

tickingbird I don't 'want to see racism' I simply know it exists. I know our history and culture was built on it and unless we question our motives for criticism every time then we effecively maintain that culture. And I worry because I see now the legitimisation of discrimination and hate being used and harnessed by a right wing government. If I ever have doubts about what is happening I only have to read the posts about tokenism on GN.
Jabberwok I think LF is unaware of an awful lot.

History is written about dead, white men. A very basic concept introduced to history students at university on probably the first day, never mind the first term.

Publishing traditionally (literature) is of dead, white men.

The few women or ethnically diverse people that sneak through are the very cream of their crop. NOT to say that there weren't millions of others worthy but who have been written out.

As a country, our institutions are racist. The police, education, the media. The NHS hopefully less so (please correct me if I'm wrong), because it is held up by non British (every doctor that saved me from cancer, 5 of them was NOT British) medical staff .

LF is racist. Have you BEEN on his Twitter feed? Not to mention all round offensive. And I say that as a person who is used to anger and aggression (teacher in a UK school until recently).

He may have had a shred of a point, but the MINUTE he uttered his over privileged, white, middle class, wealthy opinion in that offensive manner, shouting someone down on national TV, he negated his argument.

Clear, rational debate is persuasive. Not some boor of a bloke, who uses foul language as at least half of his vocabulary.

I know this racism argument is going to rage on and on the thing is it amazes me that on GN there is page upon page only about L.F. and what happened.

Can I say that I have got persons of colour in my direct family only actually person of colour is not a phrase I ever use I prefer multicultural family however I never even really think multicultural to me family is family and I have no gripes with society and even white people speculating on the ifs buts whys and wherefores of a multicultural family unit.
For me it's been over forty years with "family" and I refuse to put on any labels from any side of the fence as to how myself and family live our lives when you have multiracial in your family sometimes you don't even think about it as there are bigger priorities everyday just living the same as everyone else.
I think that racism is being stirred up a bit but it will calm down again as usual and I can concentrate just on life once more.

I feel sad about the racism they are talking about in football at the moment there is no need for the chanting to the black players. Football however has always been a violent pastime for the ones that like that lifestyle it has gone on for years so even if they have stamped out the violence that opposing fans had outside the match gates it has now been replaced by racism after all small minded people need something or someone to take their aggression out on.
I expect to get comments but I have lived with a difference in my family (call it colour if you must) we are just a family.

Apart from his comments about the Sikh soldier for which he has apologised, L.F was spot on! MM was not driven out of this country by racist comments in the national press. The fact is that the vast majority of the people and the media welcomed this woman with open arms, nearly all of us were so very pleased that P.H had found someone whom he could be happy with and make his future home and life with. Those cheering crowds were genuine and we all wished them every good fortune. No one made any detrimental comments about her race, not even alluded to it, and to say differently is just rubbish. How sad and disappointing the outcome has been whatever the reasons maybe, but purely racism it absolutely is NOT!

Oh Jabberwork are you jumping on the bandwagon of Lawrence Fox? or do you mean spot on for being a bigoted t,.,t?

People astound me.

No, not at all, I am just pointing out that he was correct when he said that racism from the general public and newspapers did not drive out the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Sure I understand that there were awful things said on twitter etc, as I don't read any of it, I don't really know. As Shami Chakrabarti said , ' don't belong to these horrible sites , then you won't read it' sensible advice! But from the rest of us,nothing but goodwill was offered in shed loads to these two and I for one resent being told otherwise!

You are spot on Jabberwok but some people cannot see the truth from their distorted view from the moral high ground.
How do they explain all the press criticism aimed at the other female members of the RF in the past? Camilla and Fergie especially, although Kate was also vilified at one point. Was their skin colour the cause then? I don't think so. So please explain what the difference is between them being roasted in the press and MM.

Gagajo Talking about his boorish foul language. I didn’t hear him effing and blinding. Trisher was using this language and even contemplating using the C word. Such double standards. It really is quite funny ? ??

tickingbird Indeed!

I don't think I have said anything about LF's language so don't understand why the accusation of double standards can apply. It is as always on GN an attempt to raise an inaccurate irrelevance when the truth starts to pinch a bit. As far as I'm concerned he can use what language he likes. I didn't realise the term effing and blinding was still in use. The blinding is interesting, it refers to "blimey" an expression most would consider fairly innocuous today, but which my grandmother explained to me was blasphemous as it was a request to god to blind you.
Of course other women have been denigrated by the press. Misogyny and racism are closely aligned. They are both practised by white men who dominate MSM. No one has said it was only racism involved.

The lady in the QT audience did!

Did she? She said it was racism. She didn't say it was only racism. LF said it was NOT racism. Can you indicate where she says only racism please

Indeed she did not. Looking at the title of this thread again, I think it would have been fair and better to say 'did LF have a valid point in his comment?' rather than 'well done LF'.

Tickingbird, you only have to look at his Twitter feed. He's a vile individual and has the language to match. I don't mind the odd 'f off' but virtually every second word is offensive.

God knows what he did while at that very expensive, exclusive school, but expanding his vocabulary it wasn't.

She didn't indicate or mention any problem other than racism.

Jabberwok most logical discussion involves sticking to the subject. I realise this is a hard concept to grasp on GN where irrelevancies are introduced ad nauseam, but surely everyone realises QT is a short TV programme where discussion is limited and is seldom expanded. Really the straw grasping is becoming ludicrous.

You asked me what she said and I've replied to your question, what's there not to understand about that?! Straw grasping?! I'll leave that to you!

Trisher here’s one for you - take the day off!!

I asked you to say where she said it was only racism. The answer is of course she didn't say any such thing. Instead you choose to pontificate about what she didn't say. Try just admitting she didn't say it was only racism. She simply said it was rascism and was shouted over by LF.

Gajago I don’t do twitter. I don’t live my life via social media and why would you wish to follow LF on any platform if you disagree with him so much? It truly is weird, desperately so.

Woo tickingbird do you want to tell me to "fuck off" but don't have the nerve!!!???

Again at the risk of repeating myself, you asked me what this lady said and I've replied to that question. She made no mention of any other reasons so obviously I cannot and have not pontificated about something that I don't know. I've answered exactly what you asked and obviously cannot add to this!

Did no one teach you Jabberwok that you can't prove a positive by citing a negative? (e,g a grey animal just because I say it's not an elephant doesn't prove it's a mouse)

I thought it interesting that a thoroughly modern woman as Shami Chakrabarti is, isn’t on social media because of the horrible things that happen on there. I agree with her, I am not on any rubbishy social media sites, what for?