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Happy Day After Independance Day!

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ananimous Sat 01-Feb-20 22:00:50

Hubby and I have just got back from Parliament Square celebrations (stayed longer than planned as the atmosphere was electric!) - We all made so many new friends (both leavers and remainers) - Hellllllo to the "Backing Singers"! grin And Tenby Angels Helllooo - Hopefully we will see some new members joining GN. (I've warned them about the welcoming committee, don't worry). wink
There is definitely a wonderfully, optimistic buzz in the UK!
I love this British wave of positivity.
Reminds me of the Berlin Wall coming down.

Kandinsky Sun 02-Feb-20 16:24:57

So you can categorically say that there have been no Nazi salutes or any other forms of racist chants as Leavers celebrate

How is that the fault of the vast majority of leave voters who think behaviour like that is disgusting?
Do all football fans stop supporting their team because of a minority of hooligans?
Honestly, some remainers wont be happy until all leavers are whipping themselves with a big stick a’la Basil Fawlty.

Callistemon Sun 02-Feb-20 16:25:04

Were there no police there?

Someone DH knows said yesterday morning that he was walking in that area on Friday before 11pm on his way to catch a train but that fights were breaking out so he left extremely quickly.

ananimous Sun 02-Feb-20 16:26:33

www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2zJ8vaB5jo

Extra verse added to 17million fudges! grin

Callistemon Sun 02-Feb-20 16:26:40

if it's your kind of thing just say so

Who is that addressed to? Anyone in particular or just general?

ananimous Sun 02-Feb-20 16:28:09

My thread, your point?

Callistemon Sun 02-Feb-20 16:29:51

Kadinsky most of us who voted remain are not like that at all, rest assured.

I would say that my neighbours are about 50/50 split and all still speaking! And my family are probably 65/35 in favour of remain but all still love each other.

vegansrock Sun 02-Feb-20 16:31:33

The earlier picture was from FB so is in the public domain it was linked to the demo but obviously I didn't take its so can't authenticate the date. Am guessing a tattooed guy with a beer belly, pint and an illiterate and offensive T shirt wont be worried about his image being out there. If you want a nazi salute picture or don't believe they exist they are quite easy to find. There is an unpleasant thug element which you have to acknowledge.

ananimous Sun 02-Feb-20 16:32:59

Petty

vegansrock Sun 02-Feb-20 16:35:41

No-one is saying they are typical of all they claim to represent, but they are a scary and possibly dangerous minority element which should be acknowledged and challenged.

Nezumi65 Sun 02-Feb-20 16:37:16

And hate crimes have risen since the Brexit vote so a valid concern.

vegansrock Sun 02-Feb-20 16:38:19

Its the fact that so many are making excuses, defending them and therefore implicitly supporting them is worrying.

SirChenjin Sun 02-Feb-20 16:38:22

What do mean how is that the fault? Who’s talking about fault?

It’s certainly correct to say that there is a racist element to the leave campaign - nationalism does attract these types of undesirables. The important thing now is for the Tories and the Brexit party is to send very clear signals to people who believe that independence from the EU gives them a platform from which to spout their bile about the Queens [sic] English that they’re not welcome.

Kandinsky Sun 02-Feb-20 16:39:14

Callistemon

That’s my RL experience too.
It is just online you see these arguments.

Kandinsky Sun 02-Feb-20 16:41:59

nationalism does attract these types of undesirables

Do you think that about SNP supporters?

Chestnut Sun 02-Feb-20 16:42:01

Let's be honest, online attracts people who want a good bun fight! ?

SirChenjin Sun 02-Feb-20 16:59:11

I repeat nationalism does attract these types of undesirables. I don’t differentiate - do you Kandinsky?

Opal Sun 02-Feb-20 17:40:21

Firecracker123 If it were your beloved lefty Lib Dems singing 70 million Bollocks to Boris and his cabinet you'd no doubt think it was a hoot
That's the best bloody post I've read for a long time, brilliant
gringringringringrin

aprilrose Sun 02-Feb-20 17:42:32

And hate crimes have risen since the Brexit vote so a valid concern.

Have they? or has the reporting of hate crime risen? Reporting has been on the rise for sometime, maybe Brexit has emboldened people to make their complaints and expect someone to do something. Whichever way you look at it, this country is far more tolerant than any of those left in the EU and always has been.

aprilrose Sun 02-Feb-20 17:45:57

If it were your beloved lefty Lib Dems singing 70 million Bollocks to Boris and his cabinet you'd no doubt think it was a hoot

But when a certain would be PM did go around with a B*ll*ck to brexit on her tee shirt the remainers thought it was a hoot and told Brexiters not to be "Snowflakes". Thats just hypocracy.

The Tee shirt was no more or less offensive that the song you are talking about.

vegansrock Sun 02-Feb-20 18:00:56

Are we more tolerant than Finland? Denmark? Sweden? Not sure why the claim we are the most tolerant country comes from.

SirChenjin Sun 02-Feb-20 18:06:53

Bollocks to Brexit doesn’t equate to nazi salutes or racist abuse in my book but I agree it was inappropriate/insulting/unnecessary/inflammatory/all of the above.

There was certainly a spike in hate crimes after the EU referendum and the terrorist attacks - but whether that’s down to better reporting should not be the focus. That should instead be directed at the right wing parties who should be sending out a very clear message that hate crimes and racism have no part in Brexit, irrespective of how they’re reported.

whywhywhy Sun 02-Feb-20 18:07:55

Oooooooo I feel like a hornet’s nest has been stirred here!

aprilrose Sun 02-Feb-20 18:09:24

So you can categorically say that there have been no Nazi salutes or any other forms of racist chants as Leavers celebrate

I cannot find any other references to these incidents beyond the one reported and linked on this site. I have spent a lot of time looking. Of course no one can say categorically such things have not happened . The BBC have not reported it. I would have thought they would have been on anything like that pronto.

Fake news? I hesitate to say it as it might inflame some here but it has to be said it is not being picked up even by pro remain media.

SirChenjin Sun 02-Feb-20 18:13:21

You didn’t hesitate to say it - you did say it, knowing full well how inflammatory that phrase is. Why?

aprilrose Sun 02-Feb-20 18:13:43

That should instead be directed at the right wing parties who should be sending out a very clear message that hate crimes and racism have no part in Brexit, irrespective of how they’re reported

Are you willing to extend that to the left wing groups who seem to consider anti semitism OK? I am thinking especially of the isssues within the Labour Party which of course is mainstream left, not even far left.

Whilst I am not in any way condoning Nazi salutes, lets remember they are not illegal in this country. That maybe is the price of freedom and freedom of speech ( Those fredoms of people to say what they believe I am willing to defend with my life even if I do not agree with what is being said.)