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Urmstongran Thu 13-Feb-20 11:57:52

Sajid Javid has just resigned as Chancellor!

Ramblingrose22 Fri 14-Feb-20 16:51:11

I am not a fan of Boris Johnson but it could be argued that it would have made for bad government if he had someone he disagreed with as his Chancellor.

It's nothing new. This happened when Margaret Thatcher was PM, when Nigel Lawson resigned because she went over his head and the last spectacular falling out was with Sir Geoffrey Howe who made a memorable speech about it.

I am far more worried about Boris Johnson riding roughshod over our democracy and politicising the top judges' appointments. They have made that mistake in the USA and we don't want their failing political and judicial system over here.

MaizieD Fri 14-Feb-20 16:52:45

I rather think that our tory supporters here have very little idea of why Charles 1st was executed, what Parliamentary Sovereignty is and how our Constitution is supposed to work.

So I suppose they must be forgiven for thinking that a dictatorship is a perfectly acceptable government for the UK.

varian Fri 14-Feb-20 16:53:18

That is indeed a more dangerous change Rr22

growstuff Fri 14-Feb-20 17:02:15

I agree with you too Ramblingrose. Advisory teams can be re-reshuffled, but constitutional changes regarding the judiciary will take much longer to put back and are capable of lasting damage.

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 17:10:15

How can this even be considered a dictatorship when Boris won a stonking majority in the GE on a manifesto which he now intends to uphold? The result of that election was indeed a landslide it stunned so many punters who had predicted (or hoped for) some kind of hung parliament!

This government intends to give the people what they (as FPTP majority) wanted. I’m delighted to witness the determination to get the job done. It’s a refreshing change as far as I’m concerned.

I can however appreciate that for those of you on the other side of the political fence, this gung-ho approach must be disconcerting.

I note today that Mark Carey now says Brexit will have positives after all. Project Fear didn’t work and we now have a popular government cracking on with the mammoth task of delivering on its promises with Boris at the helm.

Well done sir.

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 17:11:08

*Carney

varian Fri 14-Feb-20 17:30:08

How can this even be considered a dictatorship when Boris won a stonking majority???????

He won that majority on 43.6% of the votes. This gave rise to what one eminent Tory MP called "an elective dictatorship"

In other words this is a sham democracy - a total travesty of democracy.

The UK is as about democratic as the US which has a dictatorial president who gained 3 million votes less than his opponent but was still handed power by a corrupt undemocratic system.

MaizieD Fri 14-Feb-20 18:07:27

How can this even be considered a dictatorship when Boris won a stonking majority in the GE on a manifesto which he now intends to uphold?

I think it's above your pay grade, Ug. So I won't bother to go over it again. I've done it several times over the years...

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 18:13:58

Look, I did mention FPTP. But we are where we are.

Where is any opposition for goodness sake?

Labour are politically dead, with their inward looking leadership election, their inward reflection and the nightmare of Jeremy Corbyn still lingering around.

The LibDems are over, finished. Destroyed. (sorry varian you backed the wrong horse there).

Boris can do whatever he likes, without question, without challenge. For 5 years. Maybe (and quite possibly) for 10.

Labaik Fri 14-Feb-20 18:20:05

'Boris can do whatever he likes, without question, without challenge. For 5 years. Maybe (and quite possibly) for 10.'
….err, that sounds a bit like a dictatorship to me. Especially now that No 10 has control of the treasury and are planning to bypass the courts And Johnson isn't even in control; the unelected Cummings is.

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 18:20:19

varian The UK is as about democratic as the US which has a dictatorial president who gained 3 million votes less than his opponent but was still handed power by a corrupt undemocratic system

The US voters know how their system works. Checks and balances. They still voted.

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 18:24:01

No Labaik Boris is harnessing the power of a combined No. 10 and Treasury to ensure delivery of what he was voted in for. The exact opposite of a dictatorship!

POGS Fri 14-Feb-20 18:54:29

Ilovecheese Fri 14-Feb-20 16:42:29

'Pogs could you possibly direct me to the "John McDonnell brigade" name calling.'
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Yes, read the thread.

varian Fri 14-Feb-20 19:41:04

BJ can be as dictatorial as Atilla the Hun, but we should never forget that the majority of UK voters voted against him. He cannot claim to speak or act for the majority.

MerylStreep Fri 14-Feb-20 19:47:13

Posters are accusing Boris Johnson of being Dominic Cummings puppet.
Teresa Mays ex advisor has just stated that Cummings didn't get his way on HS2 and Huawei. Both of which he was very much against ( his words)

varian Fri 14-Feb-20 20:18:17

He will chose his battles.

quizqueen Fri 14-Feb-20 20:24:29

Back in the day when Blair was PM, were all you Labour lot complaining that Campbell was wielding too much power or is the criticism only for the Tories!

varian Fri 14-Feb-20 20:26:16

In those days there was a well recognised healthy rivalry between Blair and Brown - No 10 and No 11.

That's just been killed off.

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 20:31:19

I read that too MerylStreep. It seems this relationship isn’t as toxic as is being painted.

Actually, the fact that so many in the media don’t like Cummings, makes me think he might be a good thing!
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MerylStreep Fri 14-Feb-20 20:50:43

Urmstongran
Last night on channel 4 news Matt Frys face was treat. He had invited two ex advisors to give their opinion fully expecting that it would be a Boris bashing fest. It turned out that they were all for the changes ??. He nearly choked.

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 20:57:12

And this morning a SPAD on Sky News who was with Robert Buckland (Irish, didn’t catch his name, intelligent) was upbeat about the whole new set up.

Adam Boulton looked like he a bulldog chewing a wasp! The interview didn’t shape up as he expected either.

growstuff Fri 14-Feb-20 21:03:16

Of course they would be upbeat about the changes, if there are on the side of the winners. They know damned well they'd lose their jobs if they didn't sound positive. The Downing Street press office would have put forward the "right sort" for the interviews anyway. That's how the new regime works. Are you seriously that gullible?

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 21:05:28

No, the SPAD on Boulton had lost his job.
Makes you think.
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MerylStreep Fri 14-Feb-20 21:14:56

I repeat. They were ex advisors. One was from Gorden Browns government and one from Teresa Mays.

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 21:21:48

‘Shot down’ growstuff.