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Urmstongran Thu 13-Feb-20 11:57:52

Sajid Javid has just resigned as Chancellor!

vegansrock Fri 14-Feb-20 06:18:54

Those supporting the move to a no 10 dictatorship are no doubt applauding Javid’s jumping ship (before he was pushed), even though you loved him a few days ago. The new chancellor will just be a yes man, boot and arse licker, so his public school, Oxbridge, billionaire , casino finance background matters not a jot. He will sign off on whatever spending plans and outrageous borrowing Dick and Dom decide.

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 06:47:09

Well you’ve all got the next 10 years with this government. Then Labour might get a turn though I wouldn’t bank on it.

MaizieD Fri 14-Feb-20 10:16:40

Is that a 'polite' way of saying 'Suck it up', Ug?

I think the catastrophic Brexit effect will kick in long before that.

Greta Fri 14-Feb-20 10:43:27

Urmstongran: Well you’ve all got the next 10 years with this government.

I wouldn't bank on it. Things can change very quickly, events here and globally can completely alter the political scene.

The new cabinet does not instil confidence in me. It seems compliancy will be the order of the day. Will all those who were so keen on referring to our democracy to justify the referendum result now hold this Government to account and insist that true Democracy is upheld – not Domocracy?

MaizieD Fri 14-Feb-20 10:58:06

I think that the 'democracy' argument over the referendum result was a simplistic 'We got the most votes' affair which had nothing at all to do with the nuances of democracy. Like fairness and openness, and respect for minority views, for example.

The fact that the current government is demonstrating how ludicrously easy it is to completely destroy the principles of democracy and the unwritten constitution of which the British have always been so proud, is a matter of complete indifference to most voters.

vegansrock Fri 14-Feb-20 11:26:21

We might as well have a cabinet of nodding dogs as no deviation from official thinking is allowed. Smacks of Soviet style totalitarianism rather than trying to unify the country.

Ginny42 Fri 14-Feb-20 11:30:27

If Javid was to sack his advisors, was Rishi Sunak on that list?

Labaik Fri 14-Feb-20 11:44:31

'Smacks of Soviet style totalitarianism rather than trying to unify the country.'
...didn't Cummings spend several years in Russia?

Labaik Fri 14-Feb-20 11:45:42

Can anyone explain to me why so many people were critical of us being in the EU but now find these goings on perfectly acceptable?

JenniferEccles Fri 14-Feb-20 12:24:51

What goings on?

There has been a Cabinet re-shuffle, that’s all!

lemongrove Fri 14-Feb-20 12:33:49

Jennifer ?exactly!
I sometimes like to read the the OTT and daft comments from those who supported Corbyn and comrades at the last GE, trying to make something about nothing as regards to the present government.As Urmston says, it could be for ten years and is certainly for the next five years.

Number 10 should always be synchronised with Number 11
Both with the Chancellor and his advisors, no good comes of them all being at odds with each other, it has caused problems in the past.

growstuff Fri 14-Feb-20 13:07:41

Why on earth would you like to read daft comments?

JenniferEccles Fri 14-Feb-20 13:12:26

lemongrove Yes some comments are funny aren’t they?!

I believe Javid was previously a remain supporter so maybe Boris felt he wasn’t completely onboard with Brexit.

Or it could have simply been a clash of personalities.

vegansrock Fri 14-Feb-20 13:41:35

Why assume everyone who criticises the omniscient Dick and Dom were Corbyn supporters. Which I’m not btw- or do you mean the government are beyond criticism now?

Greta Fri 14-Feb-20 14:06:41

Number 10 should always be synchronised with Number 11

Are you saying then that the Government should be given carte blanche to act as it sees fit without any interference?

Barmeyoldbat Fri 14-Feb-20 14:52:30

This is really worrying with no 10 taking almost total control with a non elected man, DC, making the decisions. Its becoming more like a dictatorship with just a puppet figurehead.

Fennel Fri 14-Feb-20 15:46:45

Maw grin - have you read Diary of a Nobody?
2 of Pooter's friends.

vegansrock Fri 14-Feb-20 15:53:21

By “synchronised” what is meant is that no one should deviate from Cummings’s view. No differing opinions allowed.

Greta Fri 14-Feb-20 16:25:55

Fennel, I re-read Diary of a Nobody a little while ago. It really is worth a second read. Apparently it was made into a TV series back in 1979. I missed that one. That could have been because our second child was born in 1979 and I was otherwise engaged.

POGS Fri 14-Feb-20 16:36:11

I have watched Rishi Sunak on quite a few political programmes and also being interviewed and to be honest I think the John McDonnell brigade name calling shows more about them than Rishi Sunak.

He is unfortunately for him a target because he is educated, wealthy, a Conservative and polite. Traits that apparently are to be scoffed at or pathetically gives rise to him being seen as a ' Patsy' or a ' Poodle'.

Time will tell if the closeness of No 10 and No 11 will survive or be for the good but past governments of various colours have shown that acrimony between the Prime Minister and his/her Chancellor has not been a force for good for government cohesion and governance.

I am prepared to wait, watch and make an intelligent decision as to whether or not Rishi Sunak makes a good Chancellor but his race/backround/ education/wealth do not enter into the equation from my perspective. I will leave that to those who enjoy using such things to attack the character of a person whose character they wish to destroy without any knowledge or even bothered to assess.

Sad really but politics is a dirty game.

Urmstongran Fri 14-Feb-20 16:39:57

Can anyone explain to me why so many people were critical of us being in the EU but now find these goings on perfectly acceptable?

Sure, Labaik I’m happy because it demonstrates that Boris (with Cummings input) is determined to fulfil his manifesto pledges. We voted for that! (well, not you obviously ?)

If No 10 is at loggerheads with No 11 then there is more chance of derailment!

Fennel Fri 14-Feb-20 16:40:26

Greta - Cummins and Gowings --grin
The book is best - some things don't change.

Ilovecheese Fri 14-Feb-20 16:42:29

Pogs could you possibly direct me to the "John McDonnell brigade" name calling.

growstuff Fri 14-Feb-20 16:43:20

Surely Rishi Sunak should also be a target for those who have long complained that the country is run by elitists. He is the personification of the global elite.

I haven't a clue whether he'll be better or worse than Javid was. His expensive education certainly seems to have resulted in a degree of articulacy, but I don't know if he's up to the job. I just don't understand how people can ignore their own arguments.

I don't understand either how people can be so naïve as to ignore a blatant power grab by Number 10. It's a significant move and sets a dangerous precedent for democracy, especially as it's known that the aim is to weaken the judiciary.

varian Fri 14-Feb-20 16:47:02

Laibak was right to point out that -

Smacks of Soviet style totalitarianism rather than trying to unify the country.'
...didn't Cummings spend several years in Russia?

Putin was an enthusiastic sponsor of brexit and must now be so proud of his proteges work in the UK.

Why was it so many decent folk were persuaded to vote leave? Oh I remember - it was they did not want to be ruled by unelected beaurocrats.