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It was their cheeky hypocrisy that alerted me to them and why I am critical. Telling us how to behave is plain wrong.

I don't like it that she had £21 million spent on her wedding. Hardly the action of a feminist.she is more like an old fashioned con woman getting everything she can off of a man......

Now I see a woman who doesn't do women any favours. She is very manipulative and when it was said she will take Harry from his family well it is true isn't it?

And her son Archie is being kept from all his relatives.. wonder what he will make of all this when he grows up?

But it is Harry I dislike the most. He doesn't understand how lucky he is.
Meghan does and she is making the most of winning the lottery

'Racism' is the word for any one with a smidgeon of non-British blood in them to run to, when they cock-up and are found out, whether it is the Duchess of Suffolk or Priti Patel.

In the case of Priti Patel, I am not sure how Will Straw, a LABOUR MP, has been allowed to get away with his comment "She should go back to where she came from" with virtually no media comment at all!!!! That IS racisim and I find it pretty shocking!!

I'm not aggrieved! Just sad that this couple who could have made such a difference for good have chosen to turn their backs on a country and family that was so welcoming and actually loved them! Well there you are, we the public are racists, and the family that welcomed them are toxic! perfect excuse for flight, except for one small thing, these accusations are untrue and they both know it!

Loved them? Really? They're not characters out of a soap opera.

I didn't watch their wedding. I couldn't care less about them. Quite frankly, some people haven't shown themselves in a good light. I don't really care about them either, but I wish they wouldn't litter what is supposed to be news.

I absolutely dread needing residential care when I'm older and more frail or being invited to some old persons' tea party or even being encouraged to join a knitting group, in case it has people who haven't anything better to do with their lives than sneer at public personalities they don't like and seem to think they own.

Maybe I'll start a thread on Carrie Symonds ...

I'm disappointed in what they have done so quickly after such a promising start.

But I can understand why they might not want to bring Archie over with them, first class or cattle class. It's the number of people that their relatives come into contact with, of necessity, that could be of concern to the parents of a baby.
Why take unnecessary risks?

I'm trying to look at the bigger picture here.

If I had a ten month old baby and was worried about him coming into contact with Coronavirus, I would stay home with him especially as his father is already in the UK and meeting people who could unknowingly be carriers.

The Commonwealth service is still going ahead I think although anything can happen between now and Monday.

Archie needs at least one of his parents at home with him while all this is going on just like any other baby so I wouldn't blame Meghan if she decides not to come.

While we're on the subject, I think it was crass of William, in Ireland, to make jokes about passing on coronavirus and taking the piss mocking people who think they may have it.

Maybe I'll start a thread on Carrie Symonds

Why not?

I thought William had more sense merlotgran, how disappointing.

William a one time air ambulance worker was talking to a
paramedic, he wasn’t mocking people, I wonder how many
medical staff have said similar.

And as the papers were asking would the royals stop shaking
hands and printed a photograph of the queen wearing gloves
at an investiture, surely a quip wasn’t offensive

I expect it was supposed to be a light hearted comment that spectacularly back fired! I doubt he meant any disrespect and probably could kick himself! However, he will be hauled over the coals and duly beaten over the head for it for weeks on end by the media and republicans alike! The Irish lady also made a pretty tactless comment about the RF, but no doubt that will be glossed over! Just P.W who will be castigated!

He must have known it would be reported, Annie. It's one thing medical professionals joking among themselves in private and another making jokes about something, which is extremely worrying, in public while representing your country.

Madgran ''In the case of Priti Patel, I am not sure how Will Straw, a LABOUR MP, has been allowed to get away with his comment "She should go back to where she came from" with virtually no media comment at all!!!! That IS racisim and I find it pretty shocking!!''

not really the subject of this thread- but I have to respond.
The comment is made in the context of what Priti Patel, backed by Johnson and the Government, and a very significant % of the population is saying and has been saying recently. The Windrush generation, EU immigrants, especially those from Eastern Europe, and other immigrants, especially those running away from persecution back home.

Priti Patel is a double immigrant. Her family went to live in Uganda and had a very good living exploiting local Ugandans. What Idi Amin did (and her parents jumped before the majority was pushed) was awful- but it was based on the reality of the exploitation of Ugandans as slave labour and local ressources used to become rich- by Asian immigrants. When they jumped or later were pushed- Ugandan Asians did not go 'back home where they came from' - they became double immigrants and came to the UK. I arrived in Leicester at the same time, and I remember the resentment and fears of a large proportion of the population, the reaction of their neighbours as they moved to their suburbs, the reaction to the bussing of Asian kids from the inner city to suburban schools (1973) ... followed by the rapid rise of these particular immigrants, the purchase of larger houses in the best suburbs, which soon added golden gates and colonades. And also the complaints in the textile industry of those more affluent immigrants exploiting other asian immigrants in the textile factories and even more, women home workers, like those from Bengladeshi background. ETc.

And that is why such comments are made - they are not racist against Priti Patel, but expose the irony and hypocrisy of her position and lack of empathy for other immigrants- and that she should know better.

I didn't know that Annie that'll teach me not to make a comment without knowing all the facts.

How on earth do you know that Priti Patels parents exploited local Ugandans?! or are you saying that all Asians in Uganda were exploiters so these parents must be guilty?! Idi Amin was certainly a monster that murdered without compunction, but to make such a sweeping accusation about somebodys parents simply because they were Asians running a business in an African country is racist and disgraceful! I can't imagine making that comment about the daughter of an ethnic business person in this country!

My comment were not about her specific parents- but about the reasons behind what happened with Idi Amin. The Ugandan Asians did not go to Uganda for fun - no Colonial group ever did.

The point is, she is the daughter of immigrants- and even more so, the daughter of immigrants who did not go 'back home' when things got tough, but chose a 3rd country where they considered their prospects to be better. So she should, more than anyone else, understand that sending people to a 'back home' they have never known and where they have no-one and no propects (as in the kids of the Windrush generation currently, in their 60s and 70s)- is cruel and totally unacceptable. And yet she has NO empathy, none whatsoever.

Agreed Jabberwok so can you provide evidence of your claims about her parents' work background jura2?

As said, I was not talking about her parents in particular.
I am a huge admiror of what the Ugandan Asians achieved in Leicester. As described here

www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/aug/11/race.world

My point if that Priti Patel should understand the positive side of immigration and the huge contribution immigrants make- instead of revelling in wanting to send many back to a 'back home' they d not know - and that her family and others refused to go back to.

It may have been the wrong thing to say, but this generation of royals are not doing what previous have done , the queen’s
favourite line is ‘ what do you do? or ‘where are you from’ ,

They are there for three days, meeting heaven knows how many people, 13 engagements, imagine saying ‘what do you
do’ for three days ?

Could get tedious, that is true!!!!

That's a good pint Annie they have longer and more in depth conversations with the people they meet than the Queen and her predecessors did but even the Queen has changed in that regard I think.

We do hear so often ‘they need to modernise’, William and
Kate are trying to do that. Kate spoke of feeling isolated in
Anglesey with a baby and away from her family to mothers
in a centre for young mothers in Wales.

Doubt the Queen ever mentioned anything personal.

Camilla was in Wales at a refuge for abused women , she is
patron, she spoke of friends who suffered abuse.

I think they are trying to be less distant from the public

Jura,
I’m surprised that anyone can defend what Idi Amin did to the Asians living in Uganda in the 70s.
As I understood it at the time, our government invited the Asians who were being ejected from Uganda to make their homes in Britain.
Somewhat off thread obviously, except that Meghan has never been subjected to racism in Britain. She was in fact welcomed with open arms. I’ve seen the news reels, I should think you all have, and the crowds were clearly delighted to see her. That’s the evidence.

I never, ever, defended what Idi Amin did.

My point is that immigrants, and double immigrants even more so- who could have had to go back to a 'back home' they no longer knew- should have even more understanding and empathy. She has NONE.

I had not heard the comment made by Will Straw MP about Priti Patel, but I was most interested to confirm that he was who I thought he was; the son of Jack Straw, arrested for selling drugs when 17, and later one of twelve governors dismissed from a school for financial irregularities and poor management. Of course, both times obviously, he was not responsible . Neither is he in a position to disparage others.