Sensible Discussion on Labour Leadership hopefuls MK 2

I’m not sure sw about that. The Tories are loving the fact that KS seems to be doing so well because he has promised free movement of people and as they say - doesn’t he realise that Brexit stormed it?

He’s behind the curve I’m afraid. Yesterday’s man as far as the (Brexit voting) public are concerned.

Once KS is leader, he’ll drop all this FMOL stuff. The emphasis will be on detailed analysis of the new points system and suggested improvements as the problems appear and PP sinks even further into the morass of her own inadequacy

They can try again in 15 years when they find out what integrity is.

I hope Labour continue to argue against the Brexit result, too - the final nail in Labour's coffin.

In your dreams animous wishful thinking methinks.

@suziewoozie

No prizes for second place...

Yeah yeah! Madame POGS. How many detentions should I do?

Once KS is leader, he’ll drop all this FMOL stuff

Really sw? has he told you so? What makes you think that?

Or do you, like the Tories, agree that ship has sailed and you just don’t like to hear him still promoting it?

Ed Miliband is going to save Labour, apparently.
(facepalm)

Of course the ship has sailed Urm and KS knows it.

Is this Project Fear?

Labour would have more chance of election if they dusted off Keir Hardie

So why is he still banging on about it sw ?

growstuff Fri 21-Feb-20 14:50:36

'Yeah yeah! Madame POGS. How many detentions should I do?'
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No detentions, just keep proving my point over and over again.

Sailed? Sunk.

Corbynism massively lost both the votes and the arguments. Return to the 70s statism is not a winning formula for the new challenges of the future. Labour needs to start from scratch. So lets hope that Starmer doesn’t mean any of this nonsense.

What someone says whilst running for office and what they do or say once in office are often two very different things as we all know courtesy of BJ for one.

Well I beg to differ on that point sw I think Boris is playing a blinder. Have you even seen his popularity ratings recently? Labour can only dream...

There is also exasperation from the rival camps that while the two women in the race are being criticised for their unabashed support for trans rights, the sole man isn’t facing detailed scrutiny on the issue.”

And if only Labour could come up with a settled position on Trans rights they would regain the working class vote in a trice. We worry about little else in the north.

Actually it seems to me that The problem that Labour has is structural. (I’m sure Grandad1943 will be along to disagree with me!).

While over 10 million people voted Labour in 2019, their views are far different from the few hundred thousand Labour Party members.

The far-left clique of amateur fanatics, wear their "lefty-ism" as a badge of honour - the further left, the more "committed" they are.

They do not represent the average Labour voter. Yet to become Labour leader, a candidate has to be "blessed" by the party.

A classic catch-22.

Voters will not elect a Labour government that is led by an extremist. The party won't elect a moderate as leader.

it comes from the Labour Candidates themselves.

Only from two of them.

Whether his ‘forensic’ intelligence can challenge Boris soundly at the dispatch box remains to be seen.

You're in cloud cuckoo land again, Ug. All Johnson's ever been able to do is waffle. I suspect that Starmer could run rings round him; he's a barrister, for heaven's sake. Have you never seen a barrister in action in a court?

The party won't elect a moderate as leader.

As Starmer is getting more endorsements from CLPs (including Islington!) than the other candidates I really don't follow your reasoning there..

Starmer has 60% of the nominations from Constituency Labour Parties. From the CLP's that supported Corbyn, Starmer is still in the lead, though Long-Bailey is a strong second.

I keep asking why is Starmer deemed to be centrist?

He gives little impression in the debates/hustings to denote he is a centre/centre right Labour MP as far as I read into his words.

Example he has said :-

'What Corbyn bought to the Labour party was a change of emphasis - radicalism that really matters - we need to build on that, not oversteer and go back to a bygone age."
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Does his following comment cement his disapproval of the Blair /Brown government of the Centre. :-

“A Labour party that strays too far from its values, loses. In the end, the Labour party strayed too far from its values between 1997 and 2010,”.

Yes he challenges matters such as the way Labour handled the antisemitism problem and the underhanded use by the NEC over the Labour ' LONG LIST ' shenanigans but it would be hoped All Labour MP's with any decency irrespective of whether they are far left/left/centre/centre right of the party would challenge such matters.

You're in cloud cuckoo land again, Ug. All Johnson's ever been able to do is waffle. I suspect that Starmer could run rings round him; he's a barrister, for heaven's sake. Have you never seen a barrister in action in a court?

Yes MaizieD but this one is SO boring, droning on, he could talk a glass eye to sleep.

It is actually depressing watching some of the candidates having to pretend to support Comrade Corbyn's disastrous manifesto pledges and then there are those on the lunatic fringe who do really believe it.

There aren't enough left-wing voters in this country to elect a left-wing government with a working majority to implement left-wing policies. Therefore, Labour has to water down its policies to appeal to the broader electorate.