Sensible Discussion on Labour Leadership hopefuls MK 2

I think the issue is slightly more complicated than leadership in the lib dems. The revoke strategy with regard to Brexit was disastrous, as a remainer there was no way I could vote for that.

Going back to Labour.

Referring back to my post re Lisa Nandy writing to the General Secretary Jenny Formby demanding to know why so many members are yet to receive ballot papers.

I see today ' Labour List' are calling it a ' scandal'.

Are there any GN posters who have not received their ballot paper or had their application for membership refused?

I rejoined so will be included with new members, not received
ballot paper but receive emails everyday

And yet I remember grandad saying some while ago it didn't matter that Corbyn came out in endorsement of Long Bailey (despite earlier saying he wouldn't endorse any of the three candidates) because most people had already voted. How can that be when there are still people who haven't yet received a ballot paper?

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janipat. Interesting question.

Grandad

You have stated you are not a Labour Party Member.

I believe you have said you have already voted for Long Bailey presumably through your Union Membership, is that correct?

If so how did you vote, does Union Membership provide a voting process that does not require a ballot paper through the post, do Union Members vote through a Union block vote, how does it work?

I am assuming there is a block vote hence the importance for the Leadership Contestants to aquire backing from the Unions but I do not know so I am politely asking you as one ' in the know' so to speak.

Last time I spend ages thinking about a post. :-(

I still think views such as the ones you have expressed - and having a go at me - are foolish. Is that better GNHQ?

Are you joking. There was nothing wrong with that post.

I'm not joking.

Maybe Jennie Formby is a GN poster.

growstuff, that seems so OTT to delete your post. What on earth was offensive about it? I thought it well thought out and politely expressed.

Before Grandad makes silly quips about "taking all the LibDem supporters to the polls in a minibus", perhaps he should ask why the LibDems, who he tries to write off, got by far the biggest increase in vote share of any party at the last election, gaining an extra 4.2% of the total vote whilst the Labour Party, led by Mr Corbyn, dropped their vote share by 7.8%

Party 2017 2019 Change in vote share
Conservative Party 42.4% 43.6% +1.2
Labour Party 40.0% 32.2% −7.8
Liberal Democrats 7.4% 11.6% +4.2
Scottish National Party 3.0% 3.9% +0.9
Green Party 1.6% 2.7% +1.1
Brexit Party New 2.0% +2.0
Other(s) 5.6% 4.1% -1.5

Ok. I just thought we were all grown ups obviously not. Hadnt realised that was the game we were playing. Let's crack on then

Is GN the same as MN they only delete posts that are reported?

As far as I know, Galaxy, yes, only reported posts are deleted.

POGS I am assuming there is a block vote

I asked Grandad about this very much earlier on this thread (or the previous one). He told me that there is no block vote. It's one member, one vote.

Which is why I have repeatedly said that the union members may well vote for a completely different candidate. Not the one their union endorses.

Well, I have just come in from a much better day than expected at work to find my name being mentioned all up and down this thread today alongside a couple of PMs.

So, if I can just address just a couple of those posts I am sure I shall be forgiven for not getting around to them all.

MaizieD you are quite correct in your post @16:37 today, once past the nomination stage the actual ballot is on the basis of one member or affiliate member one vote. There is no block vote whatsoever.

For those that have made posts in regard to the delay in recent new members not receiving ballot papers, I would be "as much in the dark" as everyone else as to the cause. The poll is being overseen by the Electoral Reform Society and they stated at the weekend, I believe, that they were satisfied with the progress of the Ballot.

However, if I were a betting man (which I am not) I put my money on the checking that those joining the Labour Party in the last few months cannot receive two ballot papers if they are already registered as affiliate members. I believe that the Labour Constituency Parties have been partially involved in that process in this election, and being lay member overseen they may not be that quick in responding to inquiries.

POGS, in regard to your post @15:35 today, I have not stated in either of the threads on this topic who I have personally polled for in this leadership ballot. However, I have stated that I feel it is of more importance, whoever may be elected, who that new leader appoints to the senior positions in the shadow cabinet, for that will demonstrate the direction of travel he or she intends to take the Parliamentary party.

I have also stated that many on the left within the affiliate activist membership may have been induced not to poll for Rebbeca Long-Bailey due to the very hard line she intends to take with any decenters to her leadership or voted on party policies. The foregoing would obviously bring a huge clash with the right wing of the Parliamentary Party, and in that, many affiliate members I feel wish to give unity in the party at least a chance under a fresh leader. However, I believe that may well be doomed to failure whoever is elected.

In regard to your enquiry POGS as to how trade union affiliate members received their ballot forms, Unite Union members received theirs within seventy-two hours of the poll opening by electronic transfer using the Unite IT system. I would assume that all other affiliate unions used similar systems.

It would seem from what I read in this thread that the Labour party are using only postal voting for their direct members?

Perhaps the above is one more reason why the Broader Labour Movement and the Parliamentary Labour Party should once again after so many years be brought back together as one entity.

Now, as stated, after a long but far better day in regards to the business than any of us expected first thing this morning I am going to now settle back with a very large Contreau and brandy. ?

As a self-confessed floating voter, I'm rapidly turning away from the idea of ever voting Labour, as a result of certain posts. As somebody would have to hold a gun to my head to ever persuade me to vote Conservative, it's all a bit of a pickle.

Ah well! I guess there aren't many days when I get called dog sh*t and b*stard and get a post deleted for thinking that kind of language isn't the best for trying to get me onside.

Funny old world!

PS. Some of us don't drink alcohol and, even if we could, we couldn't afford Cointreau and brandy. Is there any political party out there willing to ensure that the genuinely poor could afford the odd tipple now and again?

growstuff, who has called you dog sh*t and Bast*rd?

Waves in a friendly way towards grow stuff.

Maizie In the past, I have been a member of three trade unions - a teaching union, local government and a printing union. Whenever I've been given a free, individual vote on anything, I've sometimes voted with the official union line and sometimes against.

My impression of the senior people in the unions is that they were chuntering old men (sorry for the crude stereotype), who cared more about the power their position gave them and whiling the time away discussing policies and procedures, rather than engaging with the real issues of the people they were supposed to represent.

Iam64 waves back.

I am doing the 100 days no alcohol growstuff, so I will join you in a cup of tea.

I've done over three years "no alcohol". It's amazing how much money you can save and how much better you feel. Sometimes my brain goes into overdrive, so I have to find other ways to calm down, but it's been worth it for the lack of grogginess and ability to think logically.

Yes I feel so much better for it, and I dont drink loads, I would quite like to keep it up after the 100 days but we will see