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Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

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Dinahmo Sun 23-Feb-20 16:08:03

The good Friday agreement was included in the Withdrawal agreement but Johnson is now asking advisers to find ways around the Northern Ireland protocol as regards trade deals. If we renege on any part of the WA the EU will cease to trust us.

Namsnanny Sun 23-Feb-20 16:05:25

wait and see

Esspee Sun 23-Feb-20 16:01:48

Once the country voted to leave it should have been implemented immediately. All the vacillation caused by those who refused to accept we live in a democracy simply weakened our position.
Thankfully Boris is a loose cannon and perfectly capable of telling the EEC what to do with their demands. He is in a stronger position due to his personality and their negotiators know that.
So, much as I dislike many things about him, right now I’m in the “GO BORIS” camp.

POGS Sun 23-Feb-20 15:54:47

The question is always does Boris Johnson have any intention of negotiating a deal with the EU and never does the EU have any intention of negotiating a deal with the UK?

I have said many times I watch the snippets on BBC Parliament that come live from the EU Parliament and asking if the EU want a negotiation with the UK is a valid one.

It will depend on whether or not the EU accepts the departure by the UK has now become an Independent Country and no longer a Member State.

It is often said if you are a member of a club you abide by the rules and receive the benefits. The reverse is if you leave the club you do not have to abide by the rules at the expense of loosing the benefits.

grannysue05 Sun 23-Feb-20 15:53:08

Growstuff Before the referendum there was lots of talk about a Norway-style or Switzerlan-style deal
Thats the point. It was just talk. We did not build safeguards into our decisions to vote in or out.
I do think that we will end up with something that we will just have to put up with.

growstuff Sun 23-Feb-20 15:48:43

He can blame them because people will believe him. Meanwhile, the country's reputation is being negatively affected as an honest and trustworthy partner in anything.

growstuff Sun 23-Feb-20 15:47:25

Splutter splutter splutter! Surely not! hmm

jura2 Sun 23-Feb-20 15:46:03

But he did sign a withdrawal agreement on the basis of a 'level playing field' - how can he blame the EU for insisting that negotiations are based on what he agreed and signed? Surely he could not be that dishonest and disingenuous?

growstuff Sun 23-Feb-20 15:44:41

grannysue That's not true. Before the referendum there was lots of talk about having a Norway-style or Switzerland-style deal. One way or the other, we have to trade with the EU, so there will be a deal of some sort, even if it's by default, but it's looking highly unlikely that it will be beneficial to the UK. We'll be trading as a third country.

growstuff Sun 23-Feb-20 15:41:03

I don't think he has any intention of a deal with the EU. I'm concerned about the position of Northern Ireland and Gibraltar.

NotSpaghetti Sun 23-Feb-20 15:38:43

I think he's going to make it too difficult to get a deal by wanting unrealistic terms. Then he will blame the EU and accuse them of being hostile and uncooperative.

He's already complaining about not being able to have a "Canada" deal but the EU has explained why that's not going to work.

lemongrove Sun 23-Feb-20 15:35:33

Yes, I do think that he does want a deal, but equally would walk away if the EU plays hard to get.

grannysue05 Sun 23-Feb-20 15:34:58

No it wasn't.

It was the will of the people.

The majority voted out. Nobody voted for some sort of deal.

We will be left with what we are left with !

jura2 Sun 23-Feb-20 15:30:30

... or just making it so impossible that we will end up with No Deal at last minute- with him ringing hands saying 'oh we tried so hard, but the EU wouldn't play ball- so we had no choice...'

It was the ERG's aim from the start- and the will of Trump and Putin too.