Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

X threads Not but important enough to say twice - it’s worth being in a Union in the wild west that is the lot of many a worker today.

“Trade unions are a spent force now and I say that as a former shop steward. In a gig economy, it's look after your own back as best you can”.

Unions are certainly having a tough time at present. If the Labour Party get their act together that could well change at the next election so don’t write them off yet. Even a moderate Labour government would restrict the Gig economy and Zero hour work.

A great deal depend on the success or otherwise of the Brexit negotiations, at present it doesn’t look good.

From the Guardian this morning:

“Brexit negotiations to secure the future relationship between the UK and the EU start next Monday.

What’s next?
European affairs and foreign affairs ministers meet in Brussels to rubber-stamp the negotiating goals approved in Brussels on Monday.

At the same time Boris Johnson is to convene a meeting on Tuesday of the UK’s exit strategy team (XS) to discuss the EU paper and finalise the UK’s own mandate, which will be published on Thursday.

The XS team is made of up Johnson, the chancellor, Rishi Sunak; the foreign secretary, Dominic Raab; Michael Gove, the chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster; and the attorney general, Suella Braverman, all ardent Brexiters.”

I voted to leave, XS are all "Brexiters" I do wonder who will be the calm voice of reason Urmstongran. Would love to be a fly on the wall to listen in.

I would prefer to have a good deal rather than leave on WTO.

Apart from RS ( who at the moment may be a bit too eager to please but appears very bright) the rest of the XS Team are hardly the team of all the talents. Oh dear. But anyway, it’s DC who’s in charge anyway so it hardly matters.

Me too GG13 but I've a feeling these talks might break down. Then either panic (both sides) will set in and talks will resume after staring at the abyss or the U.K. will walk.

suzie ''Apart from RS ( who at the moment may be a bit too eager to please but appears very bright) the rest of the XS Team are hardly the team of all the talents. ''

indeedy- and none of them have got experience in negotiating international trading deals either, Even Ian Duncan-Smith is concerned and has said very recently that we need to appoint the best expert negotiatiors as there is trouble ahead.

Very worrying. ... or the UK will walk, Urm- walk to where, pray tell? To become the vassals and puppets of Trump. How is that for regaining Independence?????????????

I think the talks will break down. Then they will resume talking. And repeat ? And repeat ? until the 11th hour on Dec 31st.

and then what?

310 days to find out ...

We have not got 310 days - nowhere near. The No Deal scenario will be declared long before that because of the plans that have to be put in place.

You are possibly correct sw. On the other hand none of us have a crystal ball.

A situation can often is assessed without a crystal ball- but with the advice and knowledge of experts. Yes- some of us prefer experts - truly.

Predictions can be based on past and current behaviour - don’t need a crystal ball, I just don’t wear rose coloured or believe in the mystical powers of BJ ( or unicorns)

spectacles

Predictions can be based on past and current behaviour

Not always sw. Look at how the coronovirus has wiped billions off the world markets for example. Financial experts didn’t (couldn’t) have foreseen this scenario when analysing trends.

Urm note my use of the word ‘can’ . <sigh> It’s hardly worth choosing one’s words carefully is it?!

Coronavirus has affected the stock markets, just as unexpected wars and all sorts of other events do. That's why countries need to be prepared for contingencies and employ people who are flexible enough to see the best solution and do make predictions based on past behaviour and trends.

They could forsee it the moment the word pandemic was uttered.

That was not a good ’example' Ug.

Exactly! One of my students is a stockbroker and she's been muttering about coronavirus for weeks. The firm has meetings about it and advise their clients accordingly, just as they do whenever there's a crisis.

Urm just wants to deflect from criticisms of golden boy

No I don’t! I was (trying) to answer you sw.

As regards negotiations I wish Boris would stay home and tell the E.U. raptors come to London if they have anything to offer. Do a Margaret Thatcher who famously picked up her handbag and walked out.

We ARE leaving and will be leaving on No Deal if needs must.

The E.U. need to realise it’s not Mrs May and Ollie Robbins this time around, needing a softer Brexit to get it passed through the (at the time) mostly Remainer HoC. This time we can play hardball.

*raptors ?? I think I meant negotiators to come

Must remember to ‘preview’. Duh.

Urm ''We ARE leaving and will be leaving on No Deal if needs must. '

I am so sorry to be blunt- but I have to ask- do you actually understand what the alternatives are, and what WTO means?
Do you?

Prolly less than some and a bit more than others jura2.
You?