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MawB Wed 11-Mar-20 08:29:20

In this morning’s DT
THE Duke of Sussex has been duped into speaking about his decision to quit the Royal Family by hoaxers pretending to be Greta Thunberg, it was claimed last night.
The Duke was pranked by Russian jokers who convinced him he was speaking to the teenage climate activist and her father, according to The Sun. He alluded to tensions between his wife and himself, and the rest of the Royal family and also criticised Donald Trump, who he said “has blood on his hands.
The two phone calls were reportedly made to the Duke at his rented home on Vancouver Island, Canada, on New Year’s Eve and January 22, by Vladimir Kuznetsov and Alexey Stolyarov, known as Vovan and Lexus
Do you all remember how “Sheik gate” put an end to Sophie Wessex’s career plans? I fear that without the protection of a Royal Press Officer Harry risks being a bit of “an innocent abroad “

Boz Fri 13-Mar-20 11:43:55

There are some people who judge others superficially; others who have more insight. The people who criticise Markle on GN have had a lifetime's experience of summing people up and should't be harshly criticised. Even without hard facts, I think this woman set out to capture a Prince. You only have to look at the theatrical photos to see a woman hanging on to what she desires. Harry is trapped by the love for his son and a desire to please the mother of that child. The future is interesting for this couple.

Anniebach Fri 13-Mar-20 12:19:25

I am distressed that posters are accused of being vitriolic/ malicious, and bringing up the death of his mother to defend
his at times, stupid behaviour.

The click of a camera frightens him, causes him to fear for his
wife. She seeks the camera but to say this is vitriolic ?

After the Commonwealth Service William and Kate posted photographs of The Queen, Sophie and Edward, Harry and
Megan and themselves.

Harry and Megan posted ? just themselves.

Susan55 Fri 13-Mar-20 16:30:45

It sounds completely fake to me - like the rest of the stuff written about them

maddyone Fri 13-Mar-20 17:02:38

It’s interesting that Buckingham Palace haven’t stated that the hoax call was false. In fact, as far as I’m aware the RF have said nothing whatsoever about it.
I also find it interesting that those who defend H+M apparently absolutely know that everything written, or spoken, or leaked about them is false. How do they know that? I’d love to have the kind of inside information that they are clearly getting.

merlotgran Fri 13-Mar-20 17:19:15

If it was a fake, Harry would be shouting, 'I'm suing!' from the rooftops.

Thanks to all the coronavirus news he's able to keep his head down until he scarpers back to Canada.

He's lucky his remarks were so ridiculous they were harmless.

Sparklefizz Fri 13-Mar-20 19:02:01

Completely agree merlot. Not a whisper of suing!

maddyone Fri 13-Mar-20 19:19:05

What happened about the other suings? Everything’s gone remarkably quiet in that department.

Anniebach Fri 13-Mar-20 19:25:52

They lost one, a newspaper said elephants Harry were photographed with in Africa were sedated, they sued but lost

merlotgran Fri 13-Mar-20 19:29:50

I wonder if it has come as a huge shock to Meghan that Harry's not the sharpest knife in the drawer or whether she saw him as an easily led meal ticket.

Anniebach Fri 13-Mar-20 19:46:10

Which is the real Harry ?

The Harry caught doing drugs, playing strip snooker, playing a
joke with Usain Bolt, running and laughing with William and
Kate, making the Queen laugh when she inspected his passing
out parade, very keen on shooting and stalking , loved skiing
and loved the countryside and I do know for sure he was very
close to his grandfather and could reduce the Queen to tears
of laughter.

Or what we see know.

maddyone Fri 13-Mar-20 19:58:13

It’s your first description Annie in my opinion. Too many pictures, too much black and white, well colour actually, evidence. Absolutely reams of it. And now too many pictures of Harry looking miserable, sad, angry, petulant.
A picture tells a thousand words.

Nandalot Sun 15-Mar-20 13:02:23

I don’t usually engage with Meghan and Harry threads as I don’t have much time for the majority of the royal family, however I wanted to share with you something that surprised me. I was listening on iplayer to The Now Show and they gave comparisons of the treatment of Meghan compared with Kate. I can remember two offhand . The picture of Kate with her hand on her pregnant bump was called ‘cradling’ whilst Meghan doing the same was not treated so complimentarily. The use of Lily of the Valley at Kate’s wedding was commented on favourably whilst shock was expressed at its used in Meghan’s wedding as it can be poisonous. As I said, I am not particularly a fan of theirs, but I surprised at the blatantly different treatment of the two wives.

Iam64 Sun 15-Mar-20 13:03:59

Nandalot- I heard the Now Show as well. Sadly, I wasn't surprised by their report about the different treatment these two women have been subjected to in the media.

maddyone Sun 15-Mar-20 13:46:06

Well I’m not a Meghan fan any longer, I did like her at first, but I’ve seen some horrible comparisons of Catherine and Meghan, the two you mention Nandalot and others. Unfortunately this is an unsavoury part of public life. Catherine had to put up with being called Waity Katy and Duchess Doolittle. Her mother was called Doors to Manual by William and Harry’s friends as I understand it. The Duchess of Cornwall has put up with worse than Meghan has had to put up with, Prince Charles has had his fair share and so has Prince Philip. In other words the RF have always had to live with a certain amount of criticism, rightly or wrongly.
My opinion is that Meghan has shown herself to be a disrespectful and absolutely unloving daughter and family member and she has disrespected our monarch and our monarch’s family in a variety of ways. Anyone who doesn’t accept this only needs to have another look at the footage from the Commonwealth Service, the faces of the entire RF present looked under the most appalling strain except for Meghan who smiling all the time. The bad behaviour of Meghan has been documented for anyone who thinks she’s not done anything wrong:

The Wimbledon incident
The refusal to visit the Queen at Balmoral whilst flying to the USA to watch a tennis match
The Camilla incident last week
The hiring of an American company to advise and dismissal of Buckingham Palace advisors (a snubb to the Queen and very ill advised move particularly in the light of recent developments re Harry and the phone call)
Private jets

I could go on but there’s little point. Meghan has affected the RF like a tsunami and I feel sorry for them for their sense of duty. Meghan appears to have little sense of duty to anyone except herself.

What Meghan wants, Meghan gets.

Anniebach Sun 15-Mar-20 14:23:20

Agree maddy. Kate joined the royal family quietly, before the marriage she had to leave her job in London to avoid the
constant hounding of the press.

Megan certainly didn’t join quietly, she wanted to
‘Hit the ground running’.

Those empty seats at Wimbledon and the public queuing all night.

Grany Sun 15-Mar-20 14:36:55

All the Royals cost a fortune in transport P Charles cost hundreds of thousands in his use of jets The RF always gets the best of everything.

I think all the Royal Family, what they want they always get. Cost the earth

Prince Charles’s pledge to help support the couple as they forgo public funding has put a spotlight on his own sources of wealth, {including a billion-pound real estate conglomerate}

www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/world/europe/harry-meghan-charles-duchy-of-cornwall.html

maddyone Sun 15-Mar-20 14:39:29

And the job Catherine had in London was ridiculed by the press because the firm she worked for was owned friends of her family (isn’t nepotism alive and well in Britain? My observations make me conclude it is.) And because it was part time? Was it? I don’t know. Her family’s business was ridiculed for being ‘new money.’ But Catherine and her family didn’t leak to ‘friends’ and no ‘source’ told us what she was feeling. She never gave an interview until the day the engagement was announced. It was the first time I heard her voice.

Anniebach Sun 15-Mar-20 14:41:07

The Queen is head of the Commonwealth, she can no longer
travel. Charles has been voted for as the next head of the
Commonwealth, he has to travel.

Suppose we could say ‘oh sod the commonwealth’ !

maddyone Sun 15-Mar-20 14:42:21

Grany
Yes you’re right, but at least no one else in the RF is trying to sell themselves to the highest bidder. That is what Meghan is doing with Harry. She wants to become richer than the RF.

Anniebach Sun 15-Mar-20 14:45:38

Catherine loves her husband,she accepted part of marriage to William meant following royal protocol,

William had the sense to give this time.

Grany Sun 15-Mar-20 14:51:03

Harry and Maghan funding source is private, sort of.

LONDON — Every six months or so, Alan Davis sets out from his seaside bungalow on a far-flung island off the southwestern coast of England carrying a rent check of 12.5 pounds (about $16) for his landlord.

But this is no ordinary landlord, and no ordinary rent check.

Mr. Davis lives on a tiny corner of the Duchy of Cornwall, the property empire controlled by Prince Charles, the heir to Britain’s throne, who has quietly turned an inheritance of rundown farmland into a billion-pound real estate conglomerate. By a quirk of British law, Mr. Davis has to pay the prince for the privilege of living on his land, piddling as the checks may be.

“It’s a feudal way of carrying on,” Mr. Davis said. “They put their finger in and demand money. They’re a law unto themselves.”
Prince Charles’s fortune, long shielded from scrutiny by parliamentary indifference and obscure accounting, spilled into public view this month when his younger son, Prince Harry, announced that he and his wife, Meghan, were quitting their royal duties. In trying to prove that they would renounce taxpayer money, Harry and Meghan gave Britons a peek at the shadowy world of ostensibly private finance that bankrolls the family and its mansions, gardens and considerable staff.
But what the royals call private contains, by any other measure, a generous mix of public giveaways: medieval landholdings passed from one male heir to the next, sweeping tax relief, indemnity from some laws and exemptions from others, ownership of long stretches of coastline and all the treasure buried in Cornwall.

Those perks have delivered Prince Charles substantial wealth. Income from the duchy has nearly tripled in two decades, to £21.6 million, about $28.3 million, last year. But the uproar over Harry and Meghan’s funding has raised uncomfortable questions for the prince and the royals about whether any of their income can truly be considered private.

The family has already been buffeted this winter by the fallout from Prince Charles’s brother Andrew being forced to retreat from royal duties over his ties to the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein. On Monday, Prince Andrew was accused by prosecutors in New York of dodging an F.B.I. interview about Mr. Epstein. Scrutiny over the royals’ finances threatens to further dent their mystique.

“Harry has chucked a grenade into the forecourt of Buckingham Palace,” said David McClure, the author of a book about the royal family’s wealth. “It’s weakened the foundations of the royal family and their money, and it’s raised issues that don’t just apply to Harry but have been bubbling under the surface for at least a decade.”
[Update: Prince Harry and Meghan exit Britain with final official engagement.]
Among the biggest of those is the special treatment afforded Prince Charles’s property empire, an estate that, among other things, pays for the upkeep of his country mansion and furnished £5 million last year for the families of Harry and his older brother, Prince William.

Formed in 1337 to provide the royal heir with an income, the duchy came with fringe benefits: the right to unclaimed shipwrecks on Cornish shores, washed-up whale and sturgeon carcasses, and at least 250 gallons of wine from boats docking at Cornish ports.

Nearly 700 years later, Prince Charles has held onto some anachronistic perks. Into his 20s, the prince is said to have received feudal dues of 100 silver shillings and a pound of peppercorns from the mayor of Launceston in Cornwall.

But with the help of British real estate heavyweights, he has transformed his sleepy holdings into a thriving business covering 200 square miles, turning the focus from rural land to profit-rich urban holdings.

The duchy has a vast footprint, stretching from the rocky shores of Cornwall to south London, and from medieval castles to a granite-walled men’s prison. It recently bought a 400,000-square-foot supermarket warehouse north of London.

A spokeswoman for the duchy said in a statement that Parliament had “confirmed its status as a private estate” and that the Treasury had agreed that its tax status did not confer an unfair advantage. “The prince has always ensured it is run with the interests of its communities as an equal priority,” the statement said.
The duchy’s holdings reflect how the royal family’s wealth has become concentrated in the hands of Prince Charles and his mother, Queen Elizabeth II, whose own estate, the Duchy of Lancaster, paid her £21.7 million last year. Together, the two duchies bankroll more than a dozen members of the family, supplementing a taxpayer grant of £82 million last year reserved for official duties and the upkeep of several palaces.

Despite lawmakers once deeming its current income “an accident of history,” the Duchy of Cornwall has mostly avoided harsh questions, in part by playing up its interest in traditional architecture and sustainable practices across its humbler holdings: scores of farms, much of Dartmoor National Park in Devon and rivers throughout Cornwall. But analysts say that obscures fierce commercial instincts.

“If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, you sort of assume it is a duck,” a Labour lawmaker told duchy officials during a 2013 hearing. “The Duchy of Cornwall looks and behaves like a corporation.”

But the duchy does not pay taxes like a corporation. Instead it sits in a sort of legal limbo, using its royal status to skirt corporation and capital gains taxes even as it argues that, as a private estate, it has no obligation to open its books. The duchy said that its capital gains were all reinvested in the business, obviating the need to tax them, and that only companies paid corporation tax.
Prince Charles pays tax on his duchy income only voluntarily, and after deducting what analysts believe to be about £10 million that he deems official and charitable spending. He has also written off tens of thousands of pounds that he pays for gardening at Highgrove, his country house, on the basis that members of the public were occasionally invited in.

“The Duchy of Cornwall can be whatever it’s convenient for it to be,” said John Kirkhope, who wrote a doctoral thesis about the duchy in 2013. “If you want to inquire into its privileges, you can’t, because it’s supposedly a private estate, in the same way I have a private bank account. But when it’s convenient, it’s also a crown property, so that for example it doesn’t pay the same rate of tax as any similar entity would pay.”
The duchy’s powers go even further.

Prince Charles inherits the possessions of anyone who dies in Cornwall without a will or next of kin, a power that in some years has yielded hundreds of thousands of pounds. He funnels the money into charities after deducting his costs.

The duchy owns the right to mine in Cornwall, even under private homes — a right that it registered to extend as recently as eight years ago.

Most extraordinarily in critics’ eyes, the duchy has the right to be consulted on any legislation that affects its interests. Over the years, governments have interpreted that to include bills about hunting, road safety, children’s rights, marine access and wreck removal. A 2008 planning law exempts the duchy from ever committing a planning offense.

A similar carve-out gives Prince Charles unusual power over some homeowners on the Isles of Scilly, a picturesque archipelago off the southwestern coast of England, and in Newton St. Loe, a village near Bath.

People like Mr. Davis own their homes there, but the duchy owns the ground on which they are built. Such an arrangement is not uncommon in England, but homeowners would usually have the option to buy the land. Not on some duchy land.

That enables the duchy to charge small ground rents to homeowners grandfathered into long leases, like Mr. Davis. Once those leases lapse, it can also raise rents to thousands of pounds per year, making it difficult for people to sell or mortgage their homes.

In one case, a couple built a house on the Isles of Scilly, only to have the duchy force them to sign a lease bequeathing the property to Prince Charles’s estate upon their death, said Lord Berkeley, a Labour peer in the House of Lords.
“They set up an arrangement where tenants are too frightened to do anything, for fear of losing their property,” said Lord Berkeley, who tried unsuccessfully to push through a bill in 2017 ending the duchy’s special landlord status and removing its tax exemptions. “In what we like to think of as a democratic country, that doesn’t seem fair to me.”

Nor have lawmakers approved of how Prince Charles handles the duchy’s accounting. He pays rent to the duchy for Highgrove, his country house. But because the money goes into the duchy’s revenues, it empties back into Prince Charles’s pocket as income.

The duchy said the prince paid rent, at market value, to avoid the duchy taking on costs it shouldn’t. Still, he is effectively paying it to himself — and allowing himself to take a tax deduction.

“He pays money out from one pocket and receives it back in the other pocket,” Mr. Kirkhope said.

Polls show that the public is dubious of government funding for anyone outside the core line of succession. And Harry and Meghan’s departure has intensified the focus on how and why the public pays for the royals’ lifestyle.

Palace aides have indicated that Prince Charles may dip into his personal investments, rather than the Duchy of Cornwall, to fund Harry and Meghan’s lives in Canada. But that and much else remains unresolved, including how long British taxpayers will pay for the couple’s security.

“It’s the third rail of public discussions about the royal family: royal finances,” said Patrick Jephson, a former private secretary to Harry’s mother, Diana. “It is royal people and royal advisers’ least favorite topic of conversation.”
Mr. Davis says that among people on the Isles of Scilly around where he lives and pays his rent to the duchy, the mood has hardened against Prince Charles.

“They hate him basically,” Mr. Davis said. “Most people can’t abide him. All the money he gets goes out of the island. And that’s how he can afford to give Harry £2.3 million to live his lifestyle.”

Lesley60 Sun 15-Mar-20 14:58:38

I think the sussexes are just plain greedy and care for nobody but themselves, why else would they leave the family to make loads of money, only to leave the hardworking taxpayers to pay for their security when they can easily afford to pay it for themselves.
Don’t they realise that many of these taxpayers have to go to food banks and have problems paying their mortgage.
If they want a more normal and financially independent life then come into the real world and pay their own finances and security bills.
They can’t have their cake and eat it.

Lesley60 Sun 15-Mar-20 15:00:47

Grany I’m sorry your post was so long it put me off reading it

Greymar Sun 15-Mar-20 15:01:15

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/kate-reveals-she-is-up-to-carrying-out-that-royal-duty-bearing-a-grudge-against-harry-meghan

This is such a great article.

Grany Sun 15-Mar-20 15:14:54

Lesley60

It's actually quite interesting a good read about P Charles Duchy finances which he uses to fund M&H lifestyle

Is it Public or Private?

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