Sorry Greta I obviously hadn't woken up. I was just interested in trying to watch the interview on catch up.
Sometimes it’s just the small things that press the bruise isn’t it? 😢
Voting. I’m so glad we still have the ‘old fashioned’ system…
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(180 Posts)According to Matt Hancock there are sufficient supplies of PPE equipment around. But the evidence from NHS staff contradicts that.
A third of UK surgeons and surgical trainees do not believe they have an adequate supply of personal protective equipment (PPE) in their trust, with wide regional variations, a survey has found.
More than half of those who responded (57%) to the Royal College of Surgeons (RCS) of England survey said there have been shortages in the past 30 days.
The survey of nearly 2,000 surgeons and trainees showed a postcode lottery when it comes to PPE. More than half (52%) of respondents in the Thames Valley said they now have access to adequate PPE, but that dropped to just over a third (34.7%) in the North West.
In London, which has been at the heart of the outbreak in the UK, a third (33.4%) of respondents said they do not believe their trust has an adequate supply of PPE.
^ survey was carried out after improved PPE guidance was issued by NHS England at the beginning of April ^
Sue Hill, RCS vice president, said:
The guidance is now much improved, but we have consistently said that advice about what protection to use for which medical procedures is rendered meaningless if the kit doesn’t reach the front line.
More than half of those responding to the survey also expressed scepticism about their chances of getting a Covid-19 test for themselves, should they need one.
Confidence was particularly low in the East of England, where 75% of surgeons said they believed they would not get access to a test.
One surgeon, who responded to the survey said:
The lack of mask wearing in general patient contact has been scandalous.
I caught Covid-19 from a patient on the ward who was pre-symptomatic but later tested positive. He infected at least six staff. One of my colleagues remains very sick from this.
I was denied a test even on appeal. We were ‘spoken to’ for wearing simple masks and gloves in general ward areas. We agreed to submit to authority but strongly disagreed that there was no risk.
The RCS is urging its members not to risk their health, and that of their patients, by carrying out risky procedures without adequate PPE
I’m sure I’ve missed something in this thread but I always think of Hancock’s Half Hour when he’s at the podium.
newnanny - obviously I can’t speak to your school but I know that in the Art room of my friend’s school in a deeply impoverished area, glue sticks were previously provided and had been provided for the whole of the six years she had taught there.
If this were not the case I wouldn’t have bothered to comment.
And yes, there will always be “top ups” by teaching staff. My friend has been collecting various items for years, and another friend, a (now retired) head teacher was regularly seen in the supermarket on her way to work buying breakfast cereal, milk etc for her school.
Nevertheless, It’s the small drip by drip cuts that ultimately do great damage.
Whitewavemark yes, we did send PPE to China, but we apparently have subsequently had more than that back.
It does sound ridiculous on the surface of it but in the end it’s a global problem and we all need to help each other.
It is certainly better to be altruistic than be like Trump with the exporting adventurism and the 3M disaster.
That is surely so ridiculous that if it happened under any other American administration it would be unbelievable!
It’s just the matter of that pesky PPE gap in the middle, isn’t it...
spaghetti There is altruism and downright stupidity
True Whitewavemark2... but did you read the USA info?
That is on a different level.
Now it seems the Department of Health has created hundreds of fake Twitter accounts, claiming to belong to NHS staff, in order to broadcast support for the government.
John O'Connell
@WestHertsNHS
Can you confirm that '@nhs_susan' here is a creation of the DHSC Communications Team, and not in fact, one of your hardworking staff at the Starfish Ward ?
Can you ask your staff member what she thinks of her image being used for automated #Tories Propaganda ?
twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1251185888434028545?s=20
Grany I've just posted about that on another thread. 128 accounts, apparently.
The DHSC Communications Team was responsible for the Sunday Times rebuttal. Somebody needs to come clean and be held to account for what's going on.
Anecdotally, I'd already noticed something odd on Sunday.
Okay growstuff Thank you.
This Tory government is good at propaganda, not good at all actually governing in the interests of all the people
I see that No 10 (Cummings) is beginning to distance itself from Hancock.
Obviously sees him as a loser
47% of clinicians do not have access to long sleeved gowns.
Good post newnanny
MH announced today that key workers and their families will be able to book online testing and this will be available for "millions of people"
So what's been going on in all those car parks at IKEA etc with the rows of tents?
A friend came back from northern Italy the delay before the lockdown there. She developed some symptoms and since she is a vulnerable person, contacted the NHS helpline. It took her nearly a week before she could get tested so what was going on? When she arrived at the testing centre there were only 2 or 3 cars there.
Luckily she had not contracted CV
Eloethan: "Whose purpose does it serve to lie or to mislead?"
Right your Eloethan.
Mandy Rice Davies : They would say that wouldn't they
You are
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(double pasted - some how) I'll try again:
Yogadatti, it will become crystal clear, in future, how well our government has managed the situation.
'You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time'
(Lincoln didn't really say that, though.)
Apparently the testing site near Epsom was run by an accounting firm. The local hospital gave up using it because a lot of the results were either not arriving or being sent to the wrong people.
Can someone explain to me what expertise an accountancy firm has that leads someone to think they'd be brilliant at medical testing? I was daft because I thought they were being organised by the army (which we already pay for) with it's medical staff and logistical skills. Is this another example of money for pals rather than money being used to organise/supply the best service/product possible?
vampirequeen, it's just a case of being able to say 'We have a testing site near Epsom' - and that's quite good enough, apparently.
Meanwhile, on the front line, a nurse in a Covid ward had mild symptoms. She was told to carry on working - as all the patients had it anyway - and she was needed. (Define 'it' though, aren't there many mutations?) That's the reality.
Exactly. Joins 'the PPE is on it's way', 'the EU didn't let us join in their purchasing of PPE', 'we're having ventilators designed and made' when they were already designed and being made in this country by specialist firms and all the other half truths and outright lies the government have been telling us.
The EU scheme hasn't supplied any PPE to anyone it was a non starter.
Lots of fake news and untruths being spread around by the media.
Any evidence for that Firecracker123. There is substantial evidence from manufacturers of masks and PPE equipment that the British government has consistently failed to respond to offers of supply and that therefore the equipment has been sent to the EU.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/20/exclusivemillions-pieces-ppe-shipped-britain-europe-despite/
Lots of fake news and untruths being spread around by the media.
So where has your 'news' come from, then, Firecracker?
And how do you know that it isn't 'fake news' as well?
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