At last a fully functioning opposition

Johnson's lies are being exposed every week by Ed Davey, Keir Starmer and Iain Blackford but it doesn't seem to matter to the Tory voters.

varian oh it matters. They just don’t want to show it.

I understand why Keir Starmer is hated by the tories already but why is he hated by half the Labour Party?

Because he isn’t Corbyn. But never fear, nothing succeeds like success and if Starmer looks like winning an election, they will fall into line.

Just like half the Tory party loathes Johnson. They are silent at the moment, but don’t be fooled that they will be like that forever.

It's nothing to do with Corbyn. It is to do with left wing policies and trying to maintain them, otherwise the Labour Party runs the risk of becoming oncce again what Tony Blair made it- a watered down version of the Tory party. If that happens and the electorate takes the view that there is nothing to choose between the parties we risk going back to a time of inactivity and non-involvement,and the number of people voting will decline once again.

It's a honeymoon period for Starmer, but I must admit that the last two PMQs have raised a smile. Starmer took Johnson apart. I quite like Angela Rayner too because she's nobody's fool. She and Starmer are chalk and cheese, but if they find a way to work together, they could have a winning combination.

Starmer is distrusted with a large section of the Labour Movement because he has taken no action against those on the right of the movement who have now in all probability brought the Labour Party to Bankruptcy by their actions.

For five years all were informed that it was the left in the Labour Party that were bringing it to destruction. However, we now all see that while the left obtained all their positions through fair election and conviction in their beliefs, the right it is strongly alleged acted covertly and illegally to obtain what they wished for, and that was certainly not in party interests.

Starmer has performed well in Parliament in the last two weeks, but it will be how he performs and acts in the crisis that has overtaken the Labour Pary that will define his next two years as leader. The foregoing will also determine if at the end of that period he has a party to lead at all.

Starmer has achieved more in two weeks in parliament than Corbyn did in how many years. He also seems to be more popular amongst the general voting public than Corbyn ever was. So why are so many Labour Party members out to get him? The Conservatives might be on the ropes at the moment but if this continues they will be rubbing their hands with glee, especially if they get rid of the liability that is Johnson.

Well I'm baffled what has Starmer achieved, about 3 PMQs appearances which hardly anyone watches now. The Conservatives with Boris achieved a stomping 80 seat majority in the General Election and they still have four and a half years left.

If bringing about "something better" has involved financial fraud, other dishonesty and employees working against an elected leader, then I as a fifty-seven-year supporter and monthly financial contributor to Parliamentary Labour Party feel, along with many others, that we want no further part of this shambles of a political organisation.

The end can never justify the means, and if that be the case it is time the plug was pulled on this whole Labour Party and something new brought about.

The last election is history. The result, of course, is that the Conservative Party has a massive majority, but only time will tell if they manage to hang on to public support.

The Conservatives made a number of promises before the last election and they're going to have to deliver them. I doubt if a pandemic was part of the plan.

The polls are already beginning to turn in Labour's favour. Four and a half years is a long time in politics. Who knows what will happen?

Meanwhile, it's fun to watch Johnson being taken apart.

Never mind Grandad. The polls are showing that you're out of step with the public as a whole. I'm sure you'll find a place somewhere.

MayBee The question is who would replace Johnson. I'd put money on Johnson not lasting the full term, but I really can't see who would replace him. The Murdoch press is behind Gove, who would almost be guaranteed to lose an election. The current Conservative front bench has almost no talent at all and I can't see there's anybody who could rally public support.

Interesting times.

The polls are not turning in Labours favour ?such wishful thinking on here.
Even were it even slightly happening.....it matters not a jot, as the GE was only a few months ago and there are years and years to run yet.
Firecracker is right, only the politically interested ever watch PMQ’s and there are millions of voters out there who won’t have even heard of it, let alone watched it.
If Starmer is anything at all like Blair, he may not be liked by the far left, but he would have a chance of getting into power at the next GE, but of course it’s a long time to that possibility happening.

growstuff, in regard to your above post, is it to be taken that you do not support the upholding of the law in Britain. Is it also that you do not condemn the fraudulent use of members and affiliate members hard earned subscription funding of the Labour Party.

For the above is very strongly what is being alleged.

So Grandad1943 who do you think should be leading the Labour Party and do you think your chosen leader would win the next election?

Well said grandad. It seems that two different discussions are going on here. Some posters are discussing who might win a popularity contest at the next election (which as lemongrove points out is unlikely to take place anytime soon). Others are more concerned about the ethics and legalities of what is alleged to have taken place in the Labour Party, and the current leader’s handling of this situation. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking him as a person but everything to do with whether he can be respected as a man of principle.

MayBee70, in regard to your post @22:48 today, Kier Starmer could prove to be a good leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party and in time this nation.

However, prior to any prospect of the above taking place, as nightowl points out so well in her above post, Starmer must prove he is a person of principle and justice. The foregoing can only be brought about by acceptance of him being such a person within the whole Labour movement.

The above task Starmer has not even begun to complete, indeed it is perceived by many within the movement as Starmer making a very poor start.

And what about Corbin and anti Semitism and also the fact that he never admitted to being pro brexit? Do you not understand that some a Labour supporters didn’t trust him, either? Or that he didn’t stand down after losing an election although most party leaders do.

Labour supporting British farmers.

The Tories have just passed an agricultural bill that will allow imported food to undercut British farmers ability to produce at a profit.

Labour voted against the bill

Take what you wish Grandad! You'd be wrong!

MayBee70, in regard to your post @00:06 today, it is being alleged in the leaked report that antisemitism could not be dealt with by Jeremy Corbyn or Jennie Formby as employees at the Labour party Central Office prevented that from happening.

By example to the above, it is alleged that one right wing Labour MP placed over two hundred antisemitism allegations before the offices of both Corbyn and Formby. However, when Central Office were requested for further information on those that were alleged to have carried out the above, the employees within Central Office deliberately withheld that information.

In regard to Brexit policy, Corbyn upheld throughout his time as leader the policy laid down by the Labour Pary Annual Delegate Conference which is the supreme policy making body for the whole Labour movement.

But of course, Britain's right-wing media did not wish the electorate to be aware of that fact while Corbyn was the leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

No grandad we were absolutely aware that the conference could hardly be ignored by Corbyn, but no leader could have been more Luke warm than Corbyn. I was willing to go along for months to believe put out by the left that Corbyn was playing the long game etc over brexit. But it simply wasn’t true and he was less than honest in my opinion.

As a firm remainer I could never have supported him if he had been entirely honest. I thought that he was being honest but he wasn’t.

Whitewavemark2, the Brexit problem that existed for the whole Labour movement was that in the North of England there were many traditional Labour voters who were in favour of Brexit while in the South of England there were many traditional Labour voters who were totally against Brexit.

The above was never bridgable as the outcome of the general election demonstrated.

It was as simple as that.

That was always going to be the case. My point is that Corbyn want honest and I put my faith in him because of his assertion that he was a remainer. Wasn't true was it?