Be careful what you wish for, Meghan.

PECS

FFS.. the casual racism is awful... " stick to their own"

PECS ...... if that was directed at me, I apologise. No racism intended, maybe I should have said "they stay within the confines of their own heritage." That sounds more posh, less casual!
Actually how do you know several of us who comment here are not mixed race anyway?

Wow Ellianne- what are you actually saying here- incredible.

And how daft to say that if a mixed race child identifies as black, that means they are cutting out anyone white in their family. Now, in my experience, it does happen the other way round. I know many mixed race people in the UK who do not look 'mixed race' - and they are totally ignoring, even hiding, their black roots- for all sorts of reasons.

BTW which colour is Trevor Noah?

Elianne ''I remember reading that about 50%of black people in this country choose a white British partner. ''

do you mean that the white partner has not chosen the black partner- and is somehow a 'victim' of the black person's choice. WHAT ?!?

Can’t watch Megan, find her so false, so didn’t watch the interview. Does it really matter how anyone wants themselves to be identified, it’s their business no one else is bothered..

Does it really matter how anyone wants themselves to be identified, it’s their business no one else is bothered.

You’ve obviously not read the last few pages of the state. People are absolutely fathered

*bothered

it bothers a very small % of the population - basically 70+ females.

Does it really matter how anyone wants themselves to be identified, it’s their business no one else is bothered.

I'm intrigued rather than bothered.

When somebody is mixed race because one parent is black and the other white, the decision to self identify as black often comes after the parents have separated.

The motives interest me. We've discussed Meghan cutting her father out of her life but I also wonder why Lewis Hamilton now self-identifies as black even though his mother is white.

His mother brought him up until the age of twelve after she and his father divorced.

Meghan's father brought her up.

Call me a cynic but career moves are not beyond the realms of possibility which strikes me as heartless.

Wow, WHAT, how daft!

What an aggressively rude response.
The article I referred to was actually in The Guardian last May 2019 when Archie was christened.
I have no idea who Trevor Noah is or what colour he is. Is it relevant here?

The mixed race people I know often identified as black more as they became teens.
A lot, by then, had only that to set them apart from being considered "just" white, because they realised there was more to them.

Exactly merlot and particularly in the current climate. 20 years or so ago people of mixed race rarely mentioned it.

Why do you think they didn't mention it then?

As for Trevor Noah, yes it is relevant. He is identified by all as black, he identifies as black - his father is white Swiss.

I've never heard of him.

merlotgran

I've never heard of him.

Me neither

Is he part of Meghan's family?

Nobody has said anything remotely racist on here but of course that won’t stop the accusations flying.

Why is it that every time Meghan is criticised for her behaviour or for her latest ‘woke’ utterings, a few on here will immediately hurl accusations of racism at posters?

How many times does it have to be repeated ? People would have formed exactly the same opinion of the woman if she had been white.

Before everyone here gets their tongues in a tizzy about ethnicity (race), just take a look at your historical DNA you might well be in for a surprise - a mixture of every nationality under the sun.

All this seemed to kick off when a couple of posters asserted that Meghan will have referred to herself as black right from the beginning.

I posted a rather good interview she gave to Elle where she states, strongly, that she is neither black nor white. She is mixed race/biracial.

Which is fine.

I've no idea why anyone wishes to tell someone how they should refer to others.

She's not black. Nor is she white. You can read the article yourself.

As I've said before I know plenty of mixed race children/adults who say they are just that. Mixed race. They don't want either parent to feel as if they are negating half of their heritage.

Agreed- and then there is the other side, and the assumption of others. If a mixed race person is white, then they are considered white. This had led to my grand-daughter being misdagnosed, or rather not diagnosed. If a mixed race person is light brown, they are assumed to be 'mixed race', but if they are darker, they are often assumed to be black.

As in Trevor Noah, a South African comedian, now living in the USA - and who wrote an amazing book about his childhood as a mixed race kid in Apartheid Soweto/Jburg 'Born a Crime'.

times have changed, and it is now quite fashionable/ edgy to be able to claim black/irish/jewish/ etc heritage.
i can well understand teenagers wanting to lay claim to a more interesting heritage than just vanilla boring white uk.
the very fact of this is a sign of progress in society.

*JenniferEccles - I do agree with you.*

I am not familiar with the term 'woke'. One cannot fail, however, to recognise the regular gang of racism insult throwers. Reminds one of a bunch of spiteful school girls.

I suspect people who are b/w mixed race identify as black because that is how other people see them/ treat them. That is their experience in society..
I wonder if those who have taken against Meghan consider her " more" black than white & do not think a black woman should be part of the UK royal family.

that would not account for the large numbers who welcomed her and celebrated the wedding, but are now very disappointed, in both of them.

those people are lamenting her leaving the RF, not joining it. and taking harry and archie with her.

PECS

I suspect people who are b/w mixed race identify as black because that is how other people see them/ treat them. That is their experience in society..
I wonder if those who have taken against Meghan consider her " more" black than white & do not think a black woman should be part of the UK royal family.

Some people maybe, PECS. But not all.

Do you honestly believe that people 'have taken against Meghan' because she's more black

Do you know people like that?

Personally I have never known anyone with such a bizarre outlook.

Meghan was warmly welcomed to the UK.

Her behaviour means that not everyone is quite as enamoured any more. This does not mean they are racist. To throw that out is sheer ignorance.

Have you heard of Sara Forbes Bonetta? She was rescued by the British Navy and ended up being goddaughter to Queen Victoria so it clearly wasn't a problem to the Royals then

I think we all have people in the public eye we're not keen on. Personally I'm not a fan of Holly Willoughby. Beautiful woman but she just isn't my cup of tea. Amanda Holden gets dreadful comments on GN. Why? It isn't racism.

We are allowed to dislike people on TV. We are allowed to like them. It's how it works. Some are more popular than other

All I can say about Meghan is the only place I read endless comments about her is on GN and the Daily Mail.

My adult children have zero interest in her.
None of my peers discuss her. Colleagues - no interest at all. They are an irrelevance in most people's lives.

It just appears to be the online community that either wants to berate the woman or berate those who criticise.

And that's my final word on the subject as it is bewildering me.

Harry was obviously besotted with his bride, and the colour of her skin was totally irrelevant - as far as I was concerned she could have been any colour or creed, it is none of my business. It was her words and her actions that caused me and many others to have doubts about her. I don’t know her, and I do not suppose anyone else on Gransnet does either - though it would be interesting if someone did. I certainly don’t hate her, that would be totally irrational. Had she stayed here long enough for us to get to know her, maybe my opinion would have changed. We can only base our opinions on what we see, hear and read. (I read a wide variety of newspapers, and form my conclusions from doing so).

I would not particularly call myself a Royalist, but everyone is at liberty to form an opinion, and, as in any other subject there will be differing ones. That is healthy, but surely mature adults can discuss something without insults being bandied about, it is becoming predictable and tedious.