Will he resign 2

I didn't know about Wooler. Is that near to Chillingham?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/14/journalist-stuart-collier-boris-johnson-phone-call-darius-guppy-demands-apology

whitewave the above is a link to an old Guardian article about Darius Guppy and Johnson.

...visiting the inlaws….

Why should he resign when he believes he is indispensable and has been backed up by BJ?

These people have no shame. They got where they are because they are both habitual liars and in the course of the brexit fiasco, their lies worked - they were swallowed by the people (not most people but enough to give them a win in our corrupt system).

They now expect the people to swallow any lie, no matter how outrageous and feeble, that they spout. They think they will always get away with their lies, bacause they've always got away with lying in the past.

maybe oh yes, I hadn’t thought of that.

This is really unravelling big time.

There was nothing wrong with either him or her, rage whole thing was made up to cover for an Easter jolly with various parents.

rage?? should be the

I know Whitwavemark2 all this hand-wringing over the ins and outs of what to do with a small child if the parents are ill. It's a blummin' fairy story to cover up that the Cummings' went on holiday. I don't believe a word of any of it.

Could you reference the "binning" Whitewave? Some seem to have lost all need to depend on facts on this subject - very sad.

Binning - reference the BBC news. Is that fact enough?

The Cummings certainly haven't needed facts, have they?
Any old load of poop will do.

Actually, it was the vicar's comments I was referring too but the Straw Man of GN has made yet another appearance.

Are you saying that people dying, in a care home or hospital surrounded by appropriate and necessary care is on a par with a four-year-old child being without care? It doesn't make Cummings actions right or wrong in either case but it does stop us following the media wind-ups.

Can you explain what you mean umteenth you simply mentioned binning and I replied to that.

For someone who wanted to be PM and made various promises to the country before the election, Johnson is making a bit of a pig's ear of it.

I was going to type that he couldn't have known about covid and so cannot be blamed for everything. However, back in December the virus was known about.

He couldn't have helped being ill but he was possibly a bit reckless in his behaviour beforehand. However, he could have put into place a better system for running the government.

He is to blame for getting rid of the more able MPs at the election. either by not supporting them against their de-selections or sending them off to the back benches or that they felt the need to resign/retire.

He is also to blame for choosing an advisor who is apparently more powerful than he is.

What this crisis has shown is that he is not as good as he believed himself to be.

I tend to the same view WhiteWavemark2but even if we suspend disbelief and swallow the being ill bits, he broke so many of the rules he helped frame and is totally unrepentant, truly believing he is a special, exceptional case. His arrogance meant he was quite happy to keep the press waiting for him for over half an hour when he was late for his own show. The height of rudeness. It was the only apology he made "sorry I'm late" no explanation as to why, perhaps because it was deliberate?

The Cummings certainly haven't needed facts, have they?

They may not MissAdventure but in the past Whitewave would, quite rightly, have been pushing everyone on a thread to back what they were saying with referenced facts instead of a whole lot of unfounded hysteria.

umteenth perhaps you will outline what you consider unfounded hysteria?

Yes, I'm sure that's true (sorry, whitewave!) but that doesn't let Mr. Cummings off the hook.

The four year old didn't need care. He had his parents to care for him. Breaking the lockdown rules on the grounds that he 'might' need care is something no-one else would have dreamed of doing. Finding a 'loophole', in retrospect, which no-one else knew about is mighty convenient...

His wife didn't take the little boy to hospital, they called an Ambulance. She went with the child, his father collected them the next day and didn't leave the car.

Yes of course but what reference is there that is worth anything? Nothing Cummings has offered has stood for more than 5 minutes.

Of course he has a case to answer, but I will not be made a fool of and believe his lies.

There are facts that we know for sure, but a true explanation from the law maker who broke the rules has not yet been forthcoming.

I will not be played by the game maker in chief.

What???? This is a new development, is it?

"The tale of topsy and turvy cummings" (it's fiction, by the way)

Can you explain what you mean umteenth you simply mentioned binning and I replied to that.

You did not reply (not that you have to ) to the comment the vicar made about the deaths in care and hospital not being the same as a child without care. Buts that's okay. I'm off now but will watch the Beeb news at some point to see what has been said.

Love Jonathan Pie.

Yes his language is a tad fruity but he absolutely hits the nail on the head.

The four year old didn't need care

Your opinion Maizie and you weren't there. His was the opposite and he was. Now, under any other circumstances who would be believed?