Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

So, Anniebach and Growstuff you are expecting the union membership and the Labour party membership to pay their own money to fund the Labour party but to have no say in Labour policy, because that would be "blackmail".

They are expected to put their hands in their pockets but to keep their mouths shut because the PLP know better than they do what is good for them.

And if they make a fuss there are people within the organisation whose wages are being paid by that same membership who are actively working against a Labour victory.

I voted for Keir Starmer and I am willing to wait a while to see how he acts, I dearly hope he will keep many of the policies from the last manifesto.
But if people like Rachel Reeves continue to tell people that have lost their jobs that the Labour party will not help them , then another Tory light party will get no more money from me.

growstuff Quote [I'm sure it has occurred to people such as Starmer and Rayner that funding is going to be an issue and that they need to do something.] End Quote.

growstuff, funding will be a major problem due to the prosecutions, employment protection claims by staff and the general misuse of the unprecedented levels of funding that has been given to the PLP by
trade union members in recent years.

The above WILL bring the Parliamentary Labour Party to insolvency later this year or the early part of 2021. Therefore do you growstuff and others condemn those in the right-wing of the party who by their actions have brought the PLP to the desperate financial situation it is now faced with.

Also, do you wish to see large scale reform of the parliamentary Labour Party that would prevent the above situation recurring in the future?

I Genuinely ask for answers to the above questions as I believe if those with interest in the future of the party can accept what the factional right in the party have brought about, then a step forward will have been made and the whole movement can at least begin to move forward once again in regard to its political ambitions.

Grandad, you do remind me of Peter Sellars as Mr Kite in "I'm all right Jack". Have you ever been a Trade Union official?

The unions certainly lost support here when they paid lawyers to fight equal pay claims by women employees in Glasgow .the Labour administration kept the fight against the women for a decade or more.It was only when the SNP won the council seats that the payments ere eventually made .Not everyone got what they should thanks to the unions and the contracts they and Labour had been instumental in writing all were no disclosure so no one can discuss their payment with another employee.Dirty tricks indeed from a party that pretends to be for the worker .I dont know if they will ever recover in Scotland,perhaps when they are truly a Scottish party and not a brancjh office of the WM party ,but I wont hold my breathe.My granny will be burlling in her grave at what they have become

The unions kept Lord Robens in his job. He has a window in
Westminster Abbey, thanks to the unions.

The unions and the far left gave the country the Thatcher years.

varian Quote [ Grandad, you do remind me of Peter Sellars as Mr Kite in "I'm all right Jack". Have you ever been a Trade Union official?] End quote.

variant, I began by becoming the elected trade union safety rep for the workforce at a very large Road Haulage Company in the mid-1980s. The Transport & General Workers Union then trained me on to become the senior safety the rep for the company over eight large distribution centres.

I have always been very proud of my association with the TGWU and now the Unite Union. I have also always supported the funding and grassroots support that the unions have given for over one hundred years to the Labour Party and would wish to see that continue.

However, to witness the contributions of what are often low paid trade union members to the Labour Party allegedly corruptly mishandled by highly paid staff at Labours Central office, I find totally f**cking disgusting, and so should anyone with any sense of what is right.

However, I would not expect those feelings reciprocated varian, especially from a supporter of a party that still, even after five months, seems to be finding great trouble in electing a new leader for that minor political organisation.

GrandmaMoira you cannot think of another lying prime Minister. Have you already forgotten Theresa May. Tony Blair and Iraq to mention two.

You really are trying to compare apples with pears there, JohnD. Neither of the PMs you mention were habitual, dyed in the wool, compulsive liars of the quality of Johnson.

‘The Labour Party allegedly’ !

Ilovecheese in regard to your above post @19:26 today, for years we have been told that the Left in the Labour Party would destroy the organisation even though all the positions Momentum and others obtained were through open election by way of the party rules and structures.

However, when confronted with the financial ruin and corrupt organisation the right in the party have now wrought on the organisation, those with elegance to that factional wing go very quiet and refuse to comment.

Total hypocrisy

Apologies. Should be allegiance in my above post not elegance. Dam predictive text.

And I thought making bitchy comments was supposed to be a woman's prerogative!

Any gender guilty of hypocrisy are open to justified comment and ridcule.

This is what Max Hastings had to say about Johnson in 2012:

(to be continued)

Continued …

And here's Max Hastings again, writing before the last general election …

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

These are the last two paragraphs …

We can scarcely strip the emperor’s clothes from a man who has built a career, or at least a lurid love life, out of strutting without them. The weekend stories of his domestic affairs are only an aperitif for his future as Britain’s leader. I have a hunch that Johnson will come to regret securing the prize for which he has struggled so long, because the experience of the premiership will lay bare his absolute unfitness for it.

If the Johnson family had stuck to showbusiness like the Osmonds, Marx Brothers or von Trapp family, the world would be a better place. Yet the Tories, in their terror, have elevated a cavorting charlatan to the steps of Downing Street, and they should expect to pay a full forfeit when voters get the message. If the price of Johnson proves to be Corbyn, blame will rest with the Conservative party, which is about to foist a tasteless joke upon the British people – who will not find it funny for long.

Tony Blair...enough said...no brainer

As a member of the Labour Party for 50 years anniebach it is astonishing that you continued your membership when you have such a low opinion of it. You continually speak of the so-called winter of discontent and of the Aberfan tragedy, implying that past and present Labour supporters were in some way tarnished by these events. Yet still you retained membership.

Even as this dreadful government, our incompetent prime minister and his embarrassingly squirming and complicit ministers and aides preside over a death rate that shames an island surrounded by sea, your criticism is reserved for the Labour Party and Corbyn.

Can I request that annie and grandad take their Obsessional argument Onto a new thread?

There is nothing left to say that anybody reading these threads couldn’t repeat ad nauseam and honestly it is terribly tedious to continually read the same thing over and over again.

If you want to discuss and rubbish the various Labour Party leaders, be honest about it and headline it on a thread. You will get plenty of contributors from GN, you have a built in bias.

and honestly it is terribly tedious to continually read the same thing over and over again.

Pot....kettle....black WWM2?

Here, here WW2

Eloethan try to ignore her. Most people just skip those posts.

Whitewavemark2, there is a simple answer to your terrible tedious problem, that being if you do not like the thread topic, don't read it.

However, in your case, I suspect that there are some home truths in this thread in regard to no action Starmer and the corrupt fraudulent activities of the right-wing faction in the Parliamentary Labour Party that you do not wish to have placed in front of you Whitewavemark2.

Give it a rest.

Furret, the same would apply to you. If you do not like the thread topic or what a forum member posts in that thread the answer is simple.....dont read it.