Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

Yes it was relentless. The Establishment elite, the Press in a very big way, continuous, attack dog style, propaganda. TV news
And the right wing of Labour, have been found out.

The best PM we never had.

So how did the public respond voted Johnson.

Real Criminals now in government

We have the right to criticise leaders speak as we find. Whatever party.

Grany, you ( and everyone else) will never know what kind of PM Corbyn would have made, but for most of the country even speculating that he could have been PM is enough to make them turn pale and need a sit down.

Lemon speak for yourself

Dareyoutwo Some of us opposed Brexit because of the trade talks with the US concerning meat and the treatment of animals and birds.

There are problems with the supply chains in the US at the moment and millions of animals and birds are being slaughtered. FYI 2 approved methods for killing chickens are either to shut off the ventilation systems to the hangers or to suffocate them by smothering them with foam.

This is happening in the country that Brexiteers insist that we can do trade deals with.

So we have a man who consistently voted with his beliefs and principles and never strayed from those principles even when they were regarded as unpopular ,who believed in public services and organisations like the NHS, versus a man who was sacked for lying (and that as a journalist people who aren't known for strict adherance to the truth), has very dodgy friends (Darius Guppy), doesn't know how many children he has fathered, cut the fire service in London when he was Mayor and had some very strange investigatable funding commitments.
Now which one would you vote for?
Of course if the press conveniently forgot to tell you about what one of them had been up to that might make a difference.

Sorry, but Corbyn was viewed as old fashioned, old aged, and a blast from the past, and judging from his record going back to 19 plonk,with particularly old fashioned virtually communist ideas and attitudes! He was anti the EU for over 40 years which is fair enough, then converted, then converted back!!??. His front bench were ?!!? He and they were a complete gift to the Conservatives, as were the Lib dems. Now Labour has a decent leader, one that won't be filling young people up with false promises in order to get their naive vote, only to water them down as aspirations, the party will almost certainly get along much better as it did under T Blair and be an effective opposition preparing for government.

Old people may think him old fashioned but the young people loved him knew what they were getting. . Honest trustworthy, with free education, The Green Industrial Revolution thats forward thinking. Funding for our NHS

Anyway now we have Johnson and his crew.

It's another beautiful day.

Jabberwok in regard to your post @ 15:03 today, the Labour Party WILL be bankrupted later this year or early next year caused by the actions of the right within the party.

If the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) is then to have any chance of surviving that insolvency it will require very large funding from the broader labour movement, that being mainly the trade unions who are primarily in their views the left of the movement.

There are a number of reasons why that funding will not be forthcoming without large-scale reform of the PLP due to the fact that the funding that huge numbers of trade union members give each month to the Labour Party via their political levy subscription was (it is alleged) used against their elected wishes.

So, Jabberwok how can you state that the PLP "will get along much better" when at this point in time no one can be sure that the party even has a future.

Judging by the non-action of the PLPs leader in the Cummings crisis it certainly does not look good for any strong leadership to see the party through the forthcoming financial and organisational crisis.

Some people need to wake up to the very serious situation the right of the Labour Party has placed the organisation in.

Well Grandad its obvious already that the wider public would be more willing to vote for KS and his seemingly moderate front bench, whereas they shied away from Corbyn and his seemingly far left front bench ! He's just a more attractive figure in every respect and much more likely to win over middle England which will have to be done by any party in order to win an election. That is the reality for all politicians of all partys like it or not.

A labour leader has to reach out to ‘middle England’ it has lost
Scotland , still has South Wales but not Mid and North,

The left of the Labour Party gave us Foot and Corbyn !

I have stopped my paying Labour membership money so have others.

I have joined. Its swings and roundabouts.

Jabberwok, it matters little at this point in time what the "wider public" think of the Labour party or its leader, for any general election is, in all probability, at least four years away.

What matters at this point in time is the thinking of those in the broader labour movement who finance and provide much of the grassroots support for the Parliamentary Labour Party, and what they believe should come about in the coming months.

So, unless those in the right of the Labour Party have very deep financial pockets, they had better begin a major restructure of the Party and in that rebuild some bridges with the broader Labour movement or prepare to have that hoist upon then by that broader movement.

With five or six million unemployed at least being the economic outcome of the covid crisis, there are very many in the broader Labour movement who would not "bat an eyelid" at present if the Parliamentary Labour Party did go under as they would rather look to supporting their own grassroots trade union members at this time

Bury your head in the sand Jabberwok and pretend that the above is not happening, but I am afraid that you and very many others will be in for a very sharp awakening in the not very distant future.

Keep the Labour Party as it is now with all that has happened in regard to the right in the organisation.....Dream on.

grandad you don’t speak for the majority. The majority voted for Starmer.

Starmer quoting a Spectator article.

eir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer
Take away line: if Johnson cannot function without Cummings, he is unfit to be prime minister.

Starmer recognising continuing inequality

Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer

Today marks 50 years since the historic #EqualPayAct became law.

It shows the impact Labour can make in power.

But half a century later, progress is stalling.

We must strength the Equal Pay Act and monitor how the coronavirus crisis is impacting women.

This is what is attracting people to the Labour Party

James Melville
@JamesMelville
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I have an announcement to make. If I lived in Scotland, I would vote for the SNP. But I don’t. Therefore, I am going to join the Labour Party as I am extremely impressed by Keir Starmer. His gravitas, dignity and integrity are exactly what the country needs right now.

Whitewavemark2 I have not claimed to have spoken for the majority. What I am speaking Of is the very real problems there are for the future of the parliamentary Labour Party.

There are undoubtedly many within the affiliate Labour Party membership of the trade unions that voted for Starmer to become leader. However, do you really believe Whitewavemark2 that those persons are not entirely outraged by what is alleged to have happened to their hard earned political levy subscriptions to the party?

If you do not believe that outrage exists just look into the trade union membership sites.

Fundamental change has to come to bring the central organisation of the Parliamentary Labour Party under control because at present that is not the situation. It is the right of the Party in that Central office being a law unto itself, and that has to change no matter who voted for Starmer to become leader.

1Whitewavemark2, in regard to your post @16:36 today, you report on one member joining the Labour party. However, there are reports that up to one hundred and fifty thousand have resigned their membership of the party since Jeremy Corbyn stood down as party leader.

There is also to come the later this year the reaffirmation of the political levy contribution that each trade union member has to make under legislation every four years which may well turn out to be a financial disaster for the Labour Party on this occasion.

So, I hope those joining the labour Party now have very deep pockets financially for they are going to need that if they alone are to keep it going. ?

Reading grandad43 posts , I read ‘do as the unions demand
or your party is dead’.

Why do we have posts claiming the tory party have to dance
to the demands of millionaires ?

No difference. Both waving the cheque books

I read them that way too Anniebach. It's bullying blackmail at its worst.

But Labour is still going up in all the polls Grandad, which surely pleases you.

Of course they are, they've got a viable leader now.

What matters in the end is how many people vote for Labour in four years. I doubt if many people are very interested in internal Labour Party disputes.

At its peak, UKIP managed to poll a few million votes, despite not having millions of subscribers or a strong back office operation. Admittedly, I would hope the Labour Party wouldn't indulge in the kind of undercover funding UKIP did, but my point is that they came from almost nothing to being a force which frightened the major parties.

I'm sure it has occurred to people such as Starmer and Rayner that funding is going to be an issue and that they need to do something.