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Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-May-20 19:13:26

I don’t mean whether you agree with certain political policies, I am talking about competence, knowledge and integrity.

I truthfully can’t think of a single one.

All PMs have a weakness, no doubt but this goes beyond anything I’ve every seen or read.

growstuff Wed 03-Jun-20 21:45:39

MissAdventure I thought that was Gove (allegedly).

MissAdventure Wed 03-Jun-20 22:06:30

Oh, yes.
Allegedly, of course.. sniff.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 04-Jun-20 06:37:25

The pride of Johnson’s vote leave government

Whitewavemark2 Thu 04-Jun-20 06:39:30

“Boris Johnson & his ministers were so full of Brexit swagger they simply couldn't recognise that a disease already wreaking havoc in other countries could possibly be a threat to Britain.

Self-inflicted ideological blindness.

British exceptionalism at its worst.“

Whitewavemark2 Thu 04-Jun-20 11:20:52

Just a little reminder of our failing government

trisher Thu 04-Jun-20 12:52:49

I was reading a Spectator article about an ICU doctor in London and it said how when events started to unfold in China his hospital began holding meeings to plan for the virus outbreak. Johnson of course did nothing. Goodness knows how bad things would have been if hospital staff hadn't done this.

FoghornLeghorn Thu 04-Jun-20 22:40:13

Well if we’re talking about integrity, or rather the lack of, top of the list has to be Tony Blair who lied to take us into a war. He caused the deaths of so many mother’s sons while his own and the ghastly Cherie’s were safe and sound.

newnanny Thu 04-Jun-20 23:39:07

Tony Blair was the worst by far. He lied to us all and dragged us into a war he knew was unjust. I still cringe whenever I see him on TV.

Eloethan Fri 05-Jun-20 00:15:20

I agree with you Foghorn and nanny re Blair but which Labour prime ministers have you admired and respected and do you think Johnson is doing a good job?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 05-Jun-20 05:56:31

This is what is happening to our medical data

t.co/JzQOfnJXfN?amp=1

Grandad1943 Fri 05-Jun-20 08:57:08

The two most admired Prime Ministers of my, time in my own regard, are Clement Atlee and Harold Wilson.

Atlee along with his whole administration was undoubtedly the greatest peacetime government that the United Kindom has ever possessed.

Wilson was great at maintaining stability when the country was undergoing great change. Despite several upheavals, Ted Health also played a large role in transforming Britain from an imperial power into a large industrial and commercial power.

Tony Blair in the first few years of his premiership demonstrated that he had the capacity to bring about greatly required change to Britain. However, he went on to discard the core principles of the Labour movement he was supposed to represent and sold the soul of the Labour Party to the Bankers and arms manufacturers.

And we all now know how that ended.

varian Fri 05-Jun-20 11:22:45

I still believe David Cameron to be the PM who has damaged this country most, by putting his party before country and allowing this brexit disaster to happen. If the fraudulent referendum of 2016 had never happened we would almost certainly now be in a much stronger position to deal with the pandemic.

Pumpkinpie Fri 05-Jun-20 11:25:16

Lazy PM & incompetent Ministers failing to prepare for anything
I’m so angry with how unrepentant & arrogant they are

Rosalyn69 Fri 05-Jun-20 12:17:09

At this point time - no. Inept and/or ill advised but bad.

Bluecat Sat 06-Jun-20 01:34:23

I have always detested Margaret "No Such Thing As Society" Thatcher most of all. She helped to make greed and selfishness acceptable, and her legacy lives on in the callousness of people like Priti Patel and Ian Duncan Smith. However, I never doubted Thatcher's competence. Clearly she had an intelligent mind - it was the heart that was lacking.

Boris Johnson, however... My DH has always maintained that the man is a bumbling fool. I thought he was a clever man and the bumbling was an act to endear him to people. "Old Boris's quite a character. What has he been up to now?" However, seeing how he has behaved as PM, and particularly during the pandemic, I have come to the conclusion that DH was right. We are being led by a fool.

Nannan2 Sat 06-Jun-20 01:55:12

Teresa May didnt seem to do much either, as if she was always just 'holding' the seat for someone- she always looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights & unsure what to do nexthmm Doubt she'd have a done better job than Boris during this pandemic either sadly...sad

Whitewavemark2 Sat 06-Jun-20 06:23:04

What kind of government is this!?

Will Hutton

We must keep saying this, and repeating this. The attempt by the British government in the middle of this pandemic to discredit, ostracise and delegitimise C4News,Newsnight and Good Morning Britain by refusing interviews is a democratic and civic outrage. We are all reduced.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 06-Jun-20 06:24:58

This

Grandad1943 Sat 06-Jun-20 09:05:46

Well, whatever people think of them with an eighty seat majority a Tory government will in all probability be in power in Britain for the next four years.

That is what under Britains system of election the electorate voted heavily for, so, we must all now work towards making the best of that circumstance.

Lucca Sat 06-Jun-20 09:39:59

How do we mere citizens do that grandad ?

Bobbysgirl19 Sat 06-Jun-20 09:56:25

Hear Hear Grandad ? well said! I agree.

Grandad1943 Sat 06-Jun-20 10:01:59

Lucca

How do we mere citizens do that grandad ?

Lucca, I have been greatly heartened in the last two week by the way that employers and their employees have worked together to get their workplaces ready to reopen with safe working practices.

Covid-19 has made almost everyone in Britains working population reassess how their job is carried out, and in that the innovation and cooperation has been at times almost overwhelming.

In the above, Brexit may well also throw up great challenges (with or without a deal), but if Britains employers and their employees can face those challenges in the same spirit of cooperation and "can do" attitude as there is of now, then all may be well as we progress down that path.

It may not be the Britain we all knew before coronavirus and Brexit but I firmly believe we have within this nation a great capacity to see those challenges through to the best that there is to be achieved.

Jabberwok Sat 06-Jun-20 10:13:06

Not many Prime Ministers have had to face a pandemic of this magnitude in living memory. The last one of any note for this country was Asian Flu in 1957. I was ill with that aged 14, so am not an expert. There is not anyone left alive who can clearly remember that or still less how it was handled.
Not many P.M's have suffered serious life threatening illness and returned to work inside a month and been expected to (workshy if you don't!), or insisted on working as if nothing had happened. I'm sure Boris is everything you all say,but a coward and a fool he is not! Exhausted? he probably is. Would dear old Jeremy and his team have done any better? I very much doubt it!

Jabberwok Sat 06-Jun-20 10:14:37

Positive post Grandad! Well said!

Anniebach Sat 06-Jun-20 10:34:17

Agree grandad43