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Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

(488 Posts)
Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-May-20 19:13:26

I don’t mean whether you agree with certain political policies, I am talking about competence, knowledge and integrity.

I truthfully can’t think of a single one.

All PMs have a weakness, no doubt but this goes beyond anything I’ve every seen or read.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 12:44:06

maizie some people are so witty!
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Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 15:49:01

Professor Neil Ferguson tells
@CommonsSTC
that if we had introduced lockdown measures a week earlier we would have reduced the final death toll by at least a half.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 15:50:29

So Johnson, by delaying lockdown for a week is responsible for at least 25000 deaths.

Furret Wed 10-Jun-20 16:03:48

It hardly needed confirmation by a professor though did it? Anyone with a modicum of understanding was aghast that huge public gatherings like the Cheltenham Festival, football matches etc went ahead and staying indoors was only hinted at.

Surely this was obvious to even the thickest?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 16:13:05

Not apparently to the government though furret so what does that make them?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 16:22:25

Professor Neil Ferguson’s exact words

"The epidemic was doubling every three to four days before lockdown interventions were introduced. So had we introduced lockdown measures a week earlier, we would have then reduced the final death toll by at least a half."

Furret Wed 10-Jun-20 16:26:35

A load of w*****s?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 16:27:56

??? a load of dangerous w....s!

westendgirl Wed 10-Jun-20 16:40:24

I really do think we deserve better than this present end of the pier show, led by a P.M who definitely can't be bothered to prepare for anything.This is evident in his appearances at P.M questions, in the way we have had many instances of change of direction , in the dismal record so far .
Nothing to be proud of there.
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varian Wed 10-Jun-20 17:51:00

But how on earth do we get rid of this totally, criminally incompetent "Vote Leave" government?????

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 17:59:42

God knows! 4 more long destructive years. Have you been following the brexit stuff?

varian Wed 10-Jun-20 18:04:38

Yes, Whitewave and it is scary. I have paid attention because it matters to me, but I think most folk would not even realise what has been going on under the radar.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 18:06:21

The FT is reporting that we are going for hardest brexit possible! Whatever that is. Time to start stocking up I suppose

lemongrove Wed 10-Jun-20 18:10:51

Was that really a serious question varian ? If so, take in the answer, four years to go ( at least).
Does anyone on here worry about the thousands and thousands of cheek by jowl protesters at the weekend , never mind the Cheltenham Festival.That wasn’t of Johnson’s doing after all!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 18:28:27

I think you will find that it was Johnson’s doing lemon .

For some reason he decided to delay lockdown by a week resulting in at least 25000 extra deaths

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 18:31:10

And now we have the Social Mobility commission report.

Dear oh dear it gets worse and worse.

What IS THIS GOVERNMENT DOING!!

varian Wed 10-Jun-20 18:50:49

The Cheltenham Festival was Johnson's responsibilty lemon. A responsible PM would never have let it go ahead at that time.

Smileless2012 Wed 10-Jun-20 19:10:42

Prof. Neil Ferguson resigned as a member of SAGE because he regrets undermining the continued need for social distancing. His admission came after it was found he broke the rules allowing his lover to visit him at his home during the lock down.

Is he saying that he urged the gov. to introduce lock down measures sooner and was ignored? On what scientific information is he basing his claim, that had the lock down been introduced a week earlier, the final death toll would have been reduced by half, especially as as horrific as the death is thus far, we don't know what the final figure will be?

varian Wed 10-Jun-20 19:11:05

My OH and I are ordinary old folk, able to read and able to think and so we made the decision to lock ourselves down on 13th March.

The government was privy to better advice and should have closed down the country before that, not ten days later, which cost thousands of lives.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 19:58:57

EXCL: Channel 4 News has seen a leaked paper prepared for one of the scientific committees advising the government - which called in the starkest possible way for a lockdown - a full two weeKS before Johnson made the decision to lock down.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 20:01:22

Andrew Neil

Tho it’s unlikely to manifest itself at PMQs today, there is mounting unease, even anger, among Tory backbenchers and grassroots at what they perceive as indecisive, even incompetent leadership from Boris Johnson at this stage in the Covid crisis.

Iam64 Wed 10-Jun-20 20:05:42

varian - this ordinary old woman and her husband took the same decision, to lockdown on 13 March. So did most of our friends who are in the same age group. Our younger family members were talking seriously about it and already keeping a sensible social distance from us oldies.

whitewave as to the question in your OP. You're right, competence, knowledge, integrity, I can't think of a PM during my lifetime so lacking as the current PM.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jun-20 20:13:10

iam64 ?

Beth Rigby was muted at Johnson’s press conference today when she attempted to follow up on a question about locking down too late.

Can anyone ever remember a government behaving like this? Ever?

Iam64 Wed 10-Jun-20 20:17:09

No I cant and it's unnervingly reminiscent of the White House press conferences. I read earlier this week that for a week now, no one from the government had been willing to be interviewed by anyone from Channel 4 news. Ch 4 news is the best on tv imo.

Dinahmo Wed 10-Jun-20 20:34:24

Smileless2012 The report about lockdown was produced by a team from Imperial College, not just Niall Ferguson, as WWM mentions above. I would suggest that his evidence comes from his research.