Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

Anyone seen a post about the money being withdrawn ..Theres a post on FB saying Scotland was promised £67 million due to Barnett consequentials and Bojo has decided to withdraw the funding.Lots of folk who were depending on government assistance now be really in the mire .

He really is the best thing thats happened to the Independence movement recently.I see people posting every day saying they've joined SNP,or moved to Scotland and will be supporting Independence as they need to get away from Westminsters batshit policies .

Dear oh lor, give it a rest.
Boris will be blamed for bringing the virus into the country next.
He may not be perfect but who's to say he feels on top of the world. He's not long come out of intensive care.

Anniebach You again return to the "Winter of Discontent" which occurred in the 70's. In 1973 there was an oil crisis and by 1974 the price of oil has risen by nearly 400%. Can you imagine what would happen today if, virtually overnight, oil prices rose to that level? Of course, it meant that prices for almost everything went up significantly and over the coming years, both the Conservative and the Labour government restricted public sector wages, which, in effect, meant a pay cut and - perhaps understandably - very difficult industrial relations.

ajswan Due to ten years of austerity, this country - in terms of its public services and infrastructure - was in a severely debilitated state. NHS had been fragmented, the money allocated to local councils had been slashed to such a degree that day centres for elderly and disabled people were closed, youth services decimated, child protection and mental health services seriously failing - the list of damage done is endless.

This government didn't furlough people out of the goodness of their heart. They did it because the social infrastructure was already failing and, if employees and employers were left without means of support, absolutely everything would collapse and there would be a likelihood of an economic disaster and social unrest.

As for Thatcher, yes she handed a great deal to the then council tenants who bought good quality houses at a fraction of their market price (maximum discount for house 60%, for flat 70%). However, their good fortune was at the expense of those that followed them. Council house stocks fell drastically and now many of even the lowest paid workers who would once have been eligible for council housing are having to pay over-inflated private rents, for insecure and often sub-standard housing. On top of that we, the taxpayers, are subsidising landlords through Housing Benefit payments. It is reported that more than 40% of ex council homes are now owned by private landlords - so the "property owning democracy" didn't last very long did it? Far fewer people these days have the opportunity to buy their own homes.

In answer to the question "has there every been a worse PM than Johnson?", I would say he is on a par with Thatcher, who, in my opinion, massively damaged social cohesion and social mobility in this country.

Hated Tony Blair and his warmongering. Theresa May was pretty bloody awful as well. I think currently Boris is probably the best of the worst. Can you imagine what this country would have been like now if Corbyn had been in power?

PS. Should have written "just less than half my total income", which means I'm not eligible for anything.

Why should anybody "give it a rest"? He's paid to do a job. If he's not up to it, he should step back and leave it to somebody who can do it. If there's nobody in his cabinet capable of doing the job, he should have thought of that before making appointments.

Apologies, everyone. My earlier comment (Wednesday 20th 19:38) is on the wrong thread and I don't know how to get it removed.

The very fact that this question can be asked makes you think though doesn’t it?

Yesterday’s performance was the worst in living memory, you would be very hard pushed to argue that another prime minister was to the extent that we saw yesterday, not on top of his brief. Who floundered showing such a clear lack of intelligence.

It doesn’t matter what his policies were. Yes like one poster they were directly and badly affected by particular policy, but no one can argue that the prime minister concerned was not on top of his brief, and who was able to reply to questions regardless of whether you liked the answer.

I am a social democrat, and I bitterly disliked Thatcher, and her policies, but my god she made a good prime minister.
Always on top of her brief as was Blair.

Whatever your political leanings you have a right to expect at the very least a competent prime minister.

Whitewave, when I saw the heading of this post , how did I know you had started it, together with your tiny band following and endorcing everything you say.
The Dominic Cummings saga is over, Boris needs him, he's the PM and obviously needs him to advise and yes, they have got to get Brexit done, which is why people voted for him, we were so fed up at bullies who didn't want the law carried out. So many people, the huge and overwhelmingly unprescedented amount of people that voted to say get Boris in get Brexit done, will be forever grateful to him. Meanwhile all those living in the past with a huge wooden block on their shoulder can continue to wine. At the moment deal with what is not what if and just be glad you're alive and didn't have tge experience that Boris and do many had.

The worst PM was Blair. Iraq.

Cast your mind back....what choice was there? Just as the Americans didn't have much choice in their election, neither did we.

Tony Blair made one big mistake - he cosied up to another US president George Bush and went into Iraq with no actual evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction. However, no one comes close to Boris Johnson for evasiveness and incompetence.

David Cameron conned the Lib Dems. over the referendum on AV then Nick Clegg fell for it. Then he called that wretched referendum without thinking it through properly.

Jeremy Corbyn though never a PM by being a totally ineffective leader of the opposition failed to provide an alternative to Boris. As for those Tories who failed to see through Johnson when they elected him leader over far sounder candidates I better stop this rant.

Bottom line Parliament needs to wake up and kick him and most of his cronies into touch immediately.

He's totally out of his depth and his Government will go down as one of the worst when the history books are written. I happen to agree about Tony Blair also being forever identified by the Iraq War. A huge error of judgement and responsible for so much human misery. That was a shame as on domestic policy he was excellent, not least that it was a period when the public services were adequately funded.

Part of the reason for the problems we are experiencing are, as another poster has said, down to the deliberate under-funding of all public services. You can't suddenly have good public services after a decade of under-investment. My husband used to run County-wide day services for disabled people - this service is now no longer available. A casualty of deliberate cuts to local Council budgets by the Tories. It has been replaced by a fragmented private sector provision which is not fit for purpose. And apparently getting worse, according to a former colleague who has been in touch this week. Likewise children's services, mental health, education and the NHS. I can only assume those people praising Johnson and the Tories must live in a strange bubble - lucky them -for the rest of us the reality is staring us in the face. It is not going to end well.

Ajswan: ”What other country is giving 80% of a workers salary , and helping the self-employed amongst other things. ”

Well, why don't you find out? The Scandinavian countries have been supportive. Sweden for instance is paying 90% to its workers. Why would you assume that no other country could be as generous as the UK?

Sparkling : ”...the huge and overwhelmingly unprescedented amount of people that voted to say get Boris in get Brexit done, will be forever grateful to him. ”

Getting Brexit done doesn't mean our existence outside the EU will be a successful one, does it? We will now have to live through it, work through it, and be forever grateful. Or, pick up the pieces.

Evie64 : ”He may not be perfect but who's to say he feels on top of the world. He's not long come out of intensive care. ”

He is our Prime Minister. His job is to lead our country. If he is not functioning for whatever reason somebody else must take over.

We had such hopes of Boris. He hasn’t been the same since he had the virus. Very disappointing. Can’t bear to watch him

“We’ve reached the point where the only way to understand the state the country is in is to realise that it has become a banana republic run by a bad joke of a prime minister, who prioritises the job security of his elite advisors over the health of millions. A man who sees no need to be across the most basic points of policy and is so inarticulate that he can’t Ben start a sentence let alone finish one”

Crace

I don't know why anyone is surprised that Boris is such a disaster. We had a foretaste of what was to come when he was Foreign Secretary. He doesn't even pretend to have any interest in public service. He just wants the title and prestige without putting in a day's work.

I agree that he doesn't look well, but he wasn't up to much before the virus stuck him down. An idiot, a clown, a buffoon, weak, lazy, a man who is totally out of his depth.

As many other posters have mentioned, we have had some
‘Pearlers’? before this as PM’s, and remember, Johnson wasn’t chosen by all those who vote Conservative, only by Conservative members.I wouldn’t have voted for him I have to say but.......he did manage to release us from the awful ‘log jam’ of a wilfully paralysed Parliament, got Brexit moving etc. This awful pandemic has tested political leaders
everywhere and Johnson was hard hit by the virus himself.
Never a ‘details’ man I think he is struggling with the after effects of the virus and being in intensive care.That’s why, where he can he is allowing ministers to step in for him.
I have no doubts as to his intelligence, he has never been articulate ( except for short replies) and tends to ramble, but that’s how he is.Cameron was smooth and very articulate indeed, and intelligent, but in the end made a poor PM!

He missed 5 Cobra meetings and went on holiday as the virus was ramping up.

BEFORE he had C19.

He’s not struck down by illness. He’s doing what he’s always done as PM (and what all of his previous employers/schools have said -lazy). Leaving the work to someone else. Avoiding as much as possible. Lying.

He’s a joke. A puppet PM.

Johnson has been PM for 5 months

Annie.....yes, five years would have to have passed before we can say anything definite.

Blimey untold thousands Of unnecessary deaths due to slow lockdown.

Just think what he’ll manage to do in 5 years!

‘Hindsight is a wonderful thing ‘

Remember Wilson with the £ in your pocket?!! Mrs Thatcher a good PM!!!! I'm amazed to read that!! Edward Heath who sold out fishing?! The truth is that before social media politicians could say and do and hide things that today they can't! I think some of them were weak and ineffectual as they have been throughout history.

Gordon Brown who gave away our gold.