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Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-May-20 19:13:26

I don’t mean whether you agree with certain political policies, I am talking about competence, knowledge and integrity.

I truthfully can’t think of a single one.

All PMs have a weakness, no doubt but this goes beyond anything I’ve every seen or read.

lemongrove Thu 28-May-20 09:07:23

??Exactly Jabberwock

Firecracker123 Thu 28-May-20 09:07:37

Tony Blair he's top of my list.

Jabberwok Thu 28-May-20 09:12:50

The same Gordon Brown who is now appearing on TV Boris bashing! Don't forget raiding pension pots!!!!

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 09:21:44

None of you get the point though do you? Or perhaps you do and can’t think of a less competent PM than Johnson so attack policies.

That is easy to do, we can all attack policies.

Much more difficult to identify a less competent PM

Pantglas2 Thu 28-May-20 09:22:28

This thread has made me smile because it’s obvious that every PM makes mistakes in someone’s eyes depending on your leanings. Isn’t it lovely that we’re free to criticise in this country without being ‘disappeared’!

Firecracker123 Thu 28-May-20 09:23:05

Perhaps Gordon Brown and Tony Blair joint winners smile

Firecracker123 Thu 28-May-20 09:26:33

Boris is the most popular Conservative PM ever with a stomping 80 seat majority.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 09:28:42

Isn’t competent though.

In fact is very incompetent.

Perhaps Chamberlain can be compared?

Galaxy Thu 28-May-20 09:29:47

Er have you seen his current approval rating.

Firecracker123 Thu 28-May-20 09:33:56

Less than 2000 people were polled in the Yougov poll hardly representative of the people of the UK.

LadyGracie Thu 28-May-20 09:34:30

Tony Blair. Teresa May.

I agree Boris Johnson is unwell, he felt he had to come back, but it was too soon. No one knows the long term effects of this virus, as I learned for myself yesterday.

Lucca Thu 28-May-20 09:36:35

I suppose it depends on what you mean by “worse”.
For me Cameron for doing the whole Brexit referendum and then disappearing.
As far as incompetence goes then Johnson.
I’d like Jacinda or someone like her.

Davidhs Thu 28-May-20 09:39:49

Gordon Brown must rank as a contender for the worst PM, on top of that the 2008 financial crisis was nurtured when he was chancellor.
Boris and his cronies are actually dangerous, because they have radical ideas and the majority to get them through parliament, regardless of the consequences. I’m sure they regret the 80% furlough it was intended to be short term, it will end up 6 months in some sectors.

Jabberwok Thu 28-May-20 09:40:14

I agree LG, I think he .came back to work far too soon and it shows! I guess he felt he had to particularly with these trade talks going on, after all that's what he was voted into office to do, so obviously is duty bound probably to the detriment of his own health. To be commended I'd have thought!

MaizieD Thu 28-May-20 09:40:53

I'm afraid you don't understand how sampling for a poll works, Firecracker.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 09:51:51

david Brown still understood his brief, far more than Johnson.

GagaJo Thu 28-May-20 09:59:31

It IS possible to see the difference between ineffective/bad at the job and personal dislike.

I HATED Thatcher. We all know why. I don't need to explain it. But I understand that for a long time, she was a successful politician/leader. Despite my hating what she did.

Johnson is not in that category. He's bad at his job because he is not politician material.

Anniebach Thu 28-May-20 09:59:37

Impossible to judge 6 months with 5 years or more.

Lovetopaint037 Thu 28-May-20 10:05:25

Incompetent, lying super egotist. His performance yesterday when asked if he had evidence of false statements regarding Cummins was a comedy of disbelief as he attempted not to answer. However, when stuck in a corner he said he had but wouldn’t reveal it. Never mind Cummins is in charge of “get Brexit done” and Johnson is following the script as we crash out as we run out of time with no discussions. Poor Uk, poor us.

timetogo2016 Thu 28-May-20 10:05:40

I don`t trust ANY of them.
Integraty doesn`t exist in polotics anymore.
It`s all about me me me me and of course the odd affair.

Romola Thu 28-May-20 10:19:59

Just looking at what the European papers are saying about this country is humiliating. Johnson has shown himself to be lazy, indecisive, lacking a grasp of detail, narcissistic and in love with the idea of power. Now that he has power, he may be having second thoughts. He is certainly over-dependent on his unattractive adviser, forcing his unfortunate ministers to support Cummings who has enraged the populace by disregarding the lockdown. I could go on.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 10:23:19

annie yes the time to judge policies will be just before an election, but the time to judge competence and being on top of a brief is as soon as they get elected.

Joelsnan Thu 28-May-20 10:35:05

I think its strange that many people judge BJs competence by his style of delivery. A little like how many people regard someone with a speech impediment as being of a lower intellect.
I watch the media basically acting like school yard bullies mocking the boy with the lisp.
As mentioned he facilitated the removal of the Brexit logjam, delivered a pre Covid budget that even the Labour party had to concede was a very socialist budget. Supported individuals through furlough and other financial initiatives. Yes our death rate is high, is that incompetence? I think mistakes have been made however made without malice. I think there are far more things that have played into the death rate mix than purely government actions and time will tell.
How many other PMs have subjected themselves to public scrutiny in front of the Liaison Committee? Maybe he didn’t have all the answers, what General Manger does, that is why they employ departmental managers to have the expertise.
Many people’s political biases are made on historical events often centuries old and totally unrelated to todays Society and its needs.

Anniebach Thu 28-May-20 10:39:28

Whitewave, I was not speaking of policies, Blair was PM for
ten years, Thatcher for 11 years, Wilson six years and two years, Brown three years, Callaghan three years,

6 months cannot be compared with the these to judge a
premiership

Jabberwok Thu 28-May-20 10:42:42

Brilliant post Joelsnan, excellently put.?