Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

Absolutely not.
I'm agreeing with people I usually violently disagree with, actually.

People I usually feel an affinity with, have views I can't comprehend over this, but it doesn't matter - it's still allowed, as yet.

MaizieD Yes, that does indeed happen! A poster once accidentally copied me in to a round robin of other posters telling them all they should stick together to’rubbish’ my posts and if that didn’t work to all ignore and not reply to any of my posts.She is still posting on GN today.I commented on what she had done and she went rather quiet?

Anniebach quite correct, and it’s ironic isn’t it, given the support over the last few years on here and in RL for Corbyn
That in pushing for JC for PM we now have Johnson as PM.
Any near normal Labour Leader would likely have won the last GE.

Yes lemon and the far left are now turning on Starmer

There appears to be a tendency to accuse people of "bullying" merely for questioning an opinion given by presenting the facts.

For those of you who haven't read it, the following is an extract from a letter sent to Johnson Senior.

"Martin Hammond, who was Johnson’s housemaster and taught him classics, spotted early on that the former Foreign Secretary and prominent Brexiteer showcased a certain irresponsibility and inattention to facts.

Writing of him in a school report in April 1982, he said: “Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies . . . Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the School for next half): I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.” "

Sounds familiar.

@Mamardoit, whatever her other failings I do get sick of the housing crisis being blamed on Thatcher. Yes, she introduced Right to Buy, but councils were already selling properties to tenants before then - a dd of mine bought an ex council house that was bought by the previous owners in 1971 - well before Thatcher. (Dd paid just over 100 times what they did, as dh found after a good old nose on the Land Reg., and this was not in London, in case anyone’s wondering.)

House prices then were generally far more affordable than they became a few decades later, and I don’t think anyone then foresaw how ridiculous they were going to be.

Not to mention that an awful lot of staunch Labour voters, including friends of mine, were very happy to be able to buy the home where they’d lived for years.

Last but certainly not least, Labour are very fond of vilifying right to buy, so why, during the 13 years they were in power, did they not abolish it?

Answer, presumably because they thought it would lose them votes. If there’s another reason, I’d be very interested to hear it.

hatcher could have allowed the buying of council houses BUT allowed the councils to use the money raised to replace them with NEW council houses.By specifically saying the money wasn't to be used for thet purpose she did without doubt cause the ongoing housing crisis .
The right to buy was only abolished here in 2017(?) Thats one of the criticisms I have of the SNP though I am pleased they have done it .It should have happened the minute they gained power .Regardless of that an d afew other niggly criticisms I believe they are the best option for Scotland ..but then I think ALL governments should be open to criticism and they should listen and take action where possible.

Thatcher...even my computer doesn't want to write the old witches name .

I agree that mistakes have been made 'without malice' but without competence too and this matters, because e.g. being late to bring in lockdown and allowing a big race meeting and football match to go ahead at a critical moment, have contributed to more deaths, which could have been avoided. We need a government which is both competent and values driven. They are elected to govern and its tough to face a national crisis in the early days - but thats what they are there for. You wouldn't expect a doctor, for instance, to say "I"m sorry I failed to give you appropriate treatment, at the appriate time, but I'm only just qualified" This government had the advantage of being able to look at what had happened in other countries before Covid hit us here - and learn, and plan and act appropriately. They didn't use this advantage effectively. Its hard! But 'if you don't like the heat, stay out of the kitchen!"

Not to mention that an awful lot of staunch Labour voters, including friends of mine, were very happy to be able to buy the home where they’d lived for years.

There are times when I am absolutely lost for words.

Right wingers go on and on about Labour not allowing people to have aspirations; that the tories are the party for aspirational people.

Then, b*gger me, a tory comes on here and implicitly condemns Labour voting friends for daring to aspire to buying their house, as if it's hypocritical or something.

What on earth is wrong with people?

Didn't you know Maizie? Labour voters are supposed to live in sheds and eat gruel. The only skill they need is how to tug a forelock.

If they're fortunate enough to escape their sheds, they should become Tories and pull up the drawbridge and care about nothing except their own sort.

growstuff Brilliant!!
It always amuses me when people blame someone else for their voting decisions. So Corbyn is responsible for the Tories being elected. No! It's the F** people who put a cross for a Tory MP and if you did that, it's you!

Corbyn certainly didn’t bring in Labour voters

Sadly that's true Annie and we now have the government we deserve.

Anniebach Quote [ Corbyn certainly didn’t bring in Labour voters. ]End Quote.

Well if what is being alleged is correct, Corbyn did not only have Tory party opposing him, he also had the right-wing of the Labour party acting illegally against their own elected leader.

Ensuring that antisemitism allegations could not be resolved, fraudulently moving funding to preferred right wing candidates in elections and even working against a Labour victory in the 2017 general election where all part of a disgusting right wing campaign against Corbyn carried out within the Labour Party Central office.

We even have now right wing press journalist admitting and congratulating themselves in regard to "doing a job on Corbyn" supplied with many untruths from the above office.

Therefore it is those such as you Anniebach and others like yourself who never supported a leader elected with the largest majority ever recorded in a Labour leadership election that has put Boris Johnson into ten Downing Street.

Agree Well Said Grandad1943 I never voted Tory I voted Labour

Oh dear Annie, that's you reprimanded!!
The only reason Labour lost the election so dramatically was the leadership! You saw during the campaign again and again, on the doorstep people who would have normally voted Labour were not going to do so. When asked why the answer was always the same, they didn't like Corbyn el al! Had KS been leader at this time, the result could and probably would have been very different. Nothing to do with 'people like Annie'

Very true Jabberwok I have said much the same, but we could say it until we are blue in the face and some would still
‘Blame’ voters.So few even Labour voters could bring themselves to vote for him! Says it all really.

Jabberwok have you or others with your views ever asked themselves how the image of Corbyn you describe was formed in many of the electorate's minds.

I would suggest that the scenario and alleged illegal actions of many within the right of the Labour Party that I laid out in my post @13:03 today had a huge impact on forming that image of Corbyn.

Anyway it is back to work for me, see you all later. However, looking at all that work could well be much later. ?

I am a Brexiteer and I only eat corn fed chicken and anything fresh is organic as far as possible. If not it is seeped in a white vinegar mixture and washed and rinsed thoroughly. I have a rule that I only ever eat something I recognise so I will continue going to the effort of buying scotch beef and mincing it myself etc.
Once we have left the corrupt EU we will all still have choices and I suspect that those that have always eaten rubbish will continue to do so whether they voted in or out.

Nothing to do with 'people like Annie'

Really? Really?

Nothing to do with Annie rubbishing Corbyn day after day on Gnet for the last 4 years and still at it at every opportunity, and no doubt to all her friends and family too. Plenty of people 'like that' on twitter, too. It was/is relentless.

And all the rightwingers, who demonstrated that they had no more regard for decency and honesty than they claimed their hate figure had when they voted for Johnson, joined in the rubbishing with enthusiasm.

Grandad43 do get your facts right please, and I don’t take
notice of ‘if what has been alleged’.

I supported Corbyn as the elected leader of the party I had been a member of for over 50 years, then I learned facts not
allegations , he lied, gave pathetic, wriggling excuses for his
actions. Hell bells who travels to wreath laying ceremonies then says, on camera, I was there but I don’t think I was
involved’.
Defended the anti semetic wall mural, then when it was declared anti semetic ‘ I didn’t look at it closely’,,

Activists campaigning around the country said the response was ‘not Corbyn’,

You are now criticising Starmer so do not lecture me on loyalty to the party.

Quite right MaizieD and Grandad1948 It was relentless and is still continuing.

Dareyoutwo; lucky you being able to eat expensive organic food. So the poor can eat the hormone packed American meat because it won't affect you. Is this your 'let them eat cake' moment. Just about sums a lot of things up. Maybe, as a brexiteer you could donate some of your expensive organic food to your local food bank. Maybe the people that use it actually would prefer to eat it rather than the tins of baked beans that they tend to get.