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Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

(488 Posts)
Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-May-20 19:13:26

I don’t mean whether you agree with certain political policies, I am talking about competence, knowledge and integrity.

I truthfully can’t think of a single one.

All PMs have a weakness, no doubt but this goes beyond anything I’ve every seen or read.

growstuff Thu 28-May-20 16:21:15

Let's see what havoc Johnson and Raab do in foreign affairs before anybody criticises Blair.

IMO Johnson is without a shadow of a doubt the worst PM I can remember. I include Thatcher in that. I hated her policies and values, but at least nobody could deny her leadership qualities.

luluaugust Thu 28-May-20 16:29:42

I'm not sure he is one of the worst but I do think he is one of the sickest now like Eden. He looks exhausted to me.

growstuff Thu 28-May-20 16:38:33

He's a new father. Maybe he could take the child to his or his partner's parents.

MaizieD Thu 28-May-20 16:43:34

I think that is common knowledge?!!!

Common knowledge is a dangerous thing to depend on, Jabberwok. Go and look it up. Then come back and tell me. with references, how many people died.

MaizieD Thu 28-May-20 16:47:39

I think he looks sick with worry because he's stuffed up and doesn't know what to do next. I don't think that Dom's plans will be that effective. After all, they haven't exactly been a roaring success so far. 60,000 dead and rising, with the prospect of a second wave in a week or two..

Glorybee Thu 28-May-20 16:48:56

“Go and look it up. Then come back and tell me. with references, how many people died.” Wow, bossy much! ?

Evoha16 Thu 28-May-20 16:51:30

Andrew Bonar Law in terms of long term damage to country - he halted mass exit of Conservatives to form Liberal party ?

Jabberwok Thu 28-May-20 16:52:58

Are you seriously telling me that you know nothing of the illegal war in Iraq, know nothing of the suffering of the Iraqi people , know nothing of the overthrow Of Saddam, (he was Iraq's President) the death of Dr Kelly,the dodgy dossier in the H of C , and the subsequent deaths of millions of people caused by this illegal war both armed forces and civilians perpetrated by Bush and his poodle Blair which has been the cause of so much misery in the Middle East. If you are really ignorant of this event then Google is your best bet, its all there!

Evoha16 Thu 28-May-20 16:56:58

Happy is the country with no history -

Tooting29 Thu 28-May-20 20:21:53

Theresa May, Edward Heath, Harold McMillan, Douglas Hume,

Devorgilla Thu 28-May-20 21:59:41

Just enjoyed 2hours and 40 minutes of
'nostalgia politics' with The National's 'This House'. Excellent. Catch it on Youtube if you have time.

MaizieD Thu 28-May-20 22:14:51

I'm not seriously telling you that at all, Jabberwok. I am challenging your pulled out of the air figure of the Iraq war causing 'millions of deaths'. It isn't 'common knowledge, it's hyperbole to further blacken an already damaged reputation.

I suggest you look up the figures

Furret Thu 28-May-20 22:33:20

He certainly doesn’t inspire trust ... in fact he’s completely uninspiring physically, morally, intellectually and effectively useless.

janipat Fri 29-May-20 00:06:03

Sparkling At the moment deal with what is not what if
Wasn't that what Dominic Cummings used as the basis of his flight to Durham "what if we're both too ill to care for our child" "what if my eyesight is too affected to drive nearly 300 miles" ? If he'd stuck to what is (as no outside childcare was ever necessary), we'd not have some of the threads we do have.

No I can't think of a worse PM than Boris if we're talking about competence, presentation, respect for the people and understanding of the issues. There have been many PMs whose policies I've disagreed with ( start the line-up Margaret Thatcher) but they didn't come across as bumbling idiots.

Eloethan Fri 29-May-20 00:24:06

Jabberwock I was astounded at your comment "of course, J.A doesn't have our left wing press". I really have to respond because your statement can't be borne out by the facts.

The Open Democracy website provides what I believe is very convincing evidence of a UK newspaper industry that is very heavily biased in favour of the right. A comprehensive table of ownership/political stance clearly demonstrates the strong right wing bias of the majority of British newspapers. Some extracts from an April 2019 article:

"The UK media has a very concentrated ownership structure, with six billionaires owning and/or having a majority of voting shares in most of the national newspapers.

"True editorial independence often doesn’t exist in these papers. The owners can – and do – interfere with what is published in their publications, which editors and journalists are promoted or fired as well as which political parties the paper supports.

"For example, Harold Evans, a former editor at the Sunday Times, made it very clear to the Leveson Inquiry how Rupert Murdoch interfered with the content of the paper..................."

In 2019 The Independent reported:

"Academics at Loughborough University analysed the extent to which different print outlets ran positive and negative stories about different UK political parties in the first week of the 2019 general election campaign.

"They found that the Labour Party was overwhelmingly targeted with negative coverage by the papers, while in certain publications positive stories were almost exclusively reserved for Boris Johnson’s Tory party..........

"The UK is one of the worst-ranked countries in western Europe for press freedom, according to NGO reporters without borders – ranked 33 out of 180 in the world in 2019."

Sorry to other posters for going off the original subject.

Furret Fri 29-May-20 06:58:31

Jabberwock do you admure Boris then?

Furret Fri 29-May-20 06:58:39

Admire

MaizieD Fri 29-May-20 07:18:02

...your statement can't be borne out by the facts.

Seems to be a bit of a pattern for Jw on this thread...

Firecracker123 Fri 29-May-20 07:30:40

Unfortunately there does seem a pattern on here of posters ganging up and bullying if another poster doesn't share the same views as them, lighten up ladies it's only a grans forum, it's a beautiful morning and the sun's shinning again.

Galaxy Fri 29-May-20 07:32:37

Dont think. Sit in the garden.

Furret Fri 29-May-20 07:34:40

It will happen when people feel strongly one way or the other.

Yes, the sun is shining but the country (and the world) is in a terrible crisis so while we appreciate the thought I can’t help but find it a bit PollyAnna-like.

Furret Fri 29-May-20 07:35:18

Besides, deep down, some people enjoy a bit of a wrangle.

MaizieD Fri 29-May-20 07:43:53

Sitting in the garden in the sun while unprecedented numbers of one's contemporaries die because a thoroughly incompetent PM leads a corrupt and incompetent government seems quite akin to the actions of a notorious Roman emporer.

Nothing to stop you doing it, Firecracker

MissAdventure Fri 29-May-20 08:13:18

Disagreeing with someone isn't bullying them.
I've never seen such politely put differences of opinion on here, actually.

MaizieD Fri 29-May-20 08:37:30

Nor does similarity of views and outlook make make posters into a gang or clique.

It would do if we were all PMing each other like mad so as to choose a target and get our 'stories' all in tune. But I'm certainly not and neither, I suspect, are the others.

Though I've had evidence in the past that that is what some more unpleasant posters do sad