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Keir Starmer’s patience has finally run out.

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Jun-20 08:14:55

Starmer has accused Johnson of what we all know to be true which is a collapse in public confidence over the handling of the coronavirus crises.

The main points of his argument are listed below.

*Johnson is “winging it” over the easing of the lockdown, (it is clear from posts on GN that many are uneasy about the easing).
* the timing of the latest decisions had been taken “to try to deflect attention away from the Cummings affair” ( something else GN was clear on I think a “dead cat” was mentioned)
*Johnson has to get a grip of the crises, Starmer went on to say that after a week or more of chaos and mismanagement that Johnson has simply succeeded in making a bad situation ten times worse.
* sStarmer had previously called for an exit strategy but what we have ended up with is an exit without a strategy.

We want to see schools ope, businesses back at work families seeing each other. But it is clear that across the country there is a growing concern that Johnson is now winging it, at precisely the time when it needs maximum public confidence.
* the collapse in confidence is undoubtedly the “Cummings Factor” - one rule for them and one rule for everyone else.
But the governments sudden and totally unexpected decision to lift shielding restrictions is another factor . This was done without any advanced notice, either to public health directors or GPS and in advance if adequate test and trace system being in place.
Schools are opening without wide consultation with teachers, parents and unions.

“Johnson has to get a grip”

If we see a sharp rise in the R rate, the responsibility for that falls squarely on the door of No 10.

Johnson has responded by saying he is going to take control ???

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Jun-20 16:47:40

Johnson doesn’t even need Tory MPs he just needs Cummings

Firecracker123 Wed 03-Jun-20 16:42:46

Boris doesn't need Starmer (Starmer talks of meetings to form a consensus) he is the PM and has a large 80 seat majority and over 4 years left to run. Starmer might get his few minutes in the spotlight on PMQs every Wednesday but most of the time he is irrelevant. The Conservatives don't need Labour or the Lib Dems.

GGumteenth Wed 03-Jun-20 16:36:00

Pantglas2 your bog-standard typist (in the days when they existed) would not have got very far if they did not check how a letter starting "Dear Prime Minister" should end. Personally, I think the complimentary close has changed much over the years and 'Yours sincerely' seems very acceptable in this day and age. I rather think 'Yours respectfully' might have stuck in Starmer's craw but he is a polite man and was polite in the letter.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Jun-20 16:33:13

pantyglas????points about the letter. Dear oh dear

GGumteenth Wed 03-Jun-20 16:29:15

Yes, I noticed that Pantglas ....that didn’t really go Starmers way!

Isn't it strange how differently we see these things? Obviously, we each have some innate bias. I do appreciate that mine is for the argument that is factually based and his time at the Bar certainly seems to have paid off for Starmer. His comments are simple but forensic and he is doing well holding the government to account.

On the other hand, I have found you could only laugh a few times at the classes clever fool before it got boring, repetitive and annoying and really quite childish. Attempting to move the blame to someone else - anyone else is petty in the extreme.

Like Iam I wanted to be able to back everyone working together against the virus and it seemed to work for the first few horrendous weeks. But really Johnson shows his colours when Starmer talks of meetings to form a consensus while Johnson thinks he is doing a favour by briefing Starmer in a phone call.

Ilovecheese Wed 03-Jun-20 16:16:08

I agree Orangerose I live in Manchester too and am glad that Andy Burnham is our mayor, even though we had a referendum to choose whether or not to have a mayor at all, the results of which were over 60% against.
That result apparently was not held to be "the will of the people" unlike the 50% brexit vote.

Grany Wed 03-Jun-20 16:14:58

His hair looks awful, unkempt, put comb through it, he looks a fright. Same as his approach to being PM frightful

Trump has funny hair too.

westendgirl Wed 03-Jun-20 15:53:32

I thought Johnson was mediocre, sidelining questions as usual as is the wont of the Conservative party. Reminded me a bit of a stand up , constantly looking round for baying approval every time he said something.

Pantglas2 Wed 03-Jun-20 15:21:04

Two points - it’s not deemed ‘Private Correspondence’ if you copy anyone else in and any bog standard typist knows that a letter is only finished yours sincerely when the addressee is named.

I’ve got high hopes for young Starmer but he’s making silly mistakes already given his lawyering skills.

Orangerose Wed 03-Jun-20 15:14:32

You are welcome Opps. I live in Manchester and he’s a very good Mayor.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Jun-20 15:12:08

Interesting question from May

Tom Newton Dunn
@tnewtondunn
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Theresa May hurls a full frontal Brexit hand grenade at Boris Johnson. Asks him to guarantee that UK police and Border Force will still have access to EU passenger data after the transition period. Boris declines: “That depends on the outcome of our negotiations” #PMQs

Oopsminty Wed 03-Jun-20 15:10:59

Opps - he’s the Mayor of Manchester and not an MP now.

Ah, of course. Thanks Orangerose!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Jun-20 15:09:39

I would be quite interested if someone could point out a single coherent sentence uttered by Johnson

Orangerose Wed 03-Jun-20 15:08:47

Opps - he’s the Mayor of Manchester and not an MP now.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Jun-20 15:03:02

The letter Johnson didn’t answer

Oopsminty Wed 03-Jun-20 15:01:39

Johnson then dropped him right in it by volunteering that he’d actually rung him to discuss the offer and Starmer had agreed on everything!

That was quite incredible!

Looks like the old adage that all politicians lie, is true.

Diverting slightly, but can anyone tell me why Andy Burnham didn't stand in the Labour leadership battle?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Jun-20 15:01:10

The so called “one to one“ phone call Johnson said he made to Starmer. You might have guessed he was lying

The PM's spokesperson confirms that Johnson's recent phone call with Starmer, mentioned in PMQs, was with all opposition leaders, not a one-on-one

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Jun-20 14:56:22

So many agree with this

Jabberwok Wed 03-Jun-20 14:46:57

Yes, much more encouraging!!?

lemongrove Wed 03-Jun-20 14:38:57

Yes, I noticed that Pantglas ....that didn’t really go Starmers way!
I thought Johnson was showing more spirit this week....probably feeling much better now.

Pantglas2 Wed 03-Jun-20 14:36:04

I laughed when Sir tried to blindside PM by reluctantly admitting to having written in complete confidentiality to PM offering his help with the schools return and he hadn’t even had a reply back.

Johnson then dropped him right in it by volunteering that he’d actually rung him to discuss the offer and Starmer had agreed on everything!

Corbyn would never have been so easily caught!

Barmeyoldbat Wed 03-Jun-20 14:22:47

It was great to see Boris having to talk like a grown up instead of his usually gruff and bluff. It really isn't going well.

Daisymae Wed 03-Jun-20 14:14:35

Starmer challenged Johnson today in Parliament. Johnson does not like to be criticised. It's about time the government actions were held up to public scrutiny. Up until now almost the only person calling the government out has been Piers Morgan.

Lucca Wed 03-Jun-20 08:55:13

Thank you

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Jun-20 08:52:23

Yes it’s in the Guardian and on social media. The BBC also has it in their web site