Rebecca Long Bailey sacked by Keir Starmer

Callistemon

I do not think the way to combat right wing extremism is by fighting it with left-wing extremism. Those who think that the actor Peake being vilified should take a look at her beliefs. Because they are so extreme, there is not much chance that reasonable, moderate people would agree with her.
For Rebecca L-B to align herself online with her was very foolish.

That is not the way forward to bring Labour back to a steady, moderate left of centre course which is the only way they will ever regain power.

That message need to be hammered in again and again, until
Labour MP’s and members and voters all get it!

I read that restraint by the knee was standard approved practice in the American police force so it doesn't matter where they got the idea from. I really don't understand where all this left wing animosity for the Jews and Israel comes from. Those of the Jewish faith have generally lived peacefully and productively in other countries for centuries and I would rather have Israel, as a nation, on my side than a lot of other countries.

RLB must have known exactly what response she would get for her actions.

Keir Starmer is getting support from Labour Party members who want a Labour government.

Labour will never return to power until it's infrastructure is radically reorganised as boring as that may sound to those who only wish to concentrate on the high politics of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Should anyone just look at the bureaucracy of the party they will witness that it has a Labour Leaders office employing approximately fifty persons, the General Secretaries office employing two hundred and forty along with the Labour Party Central office employing approximately one hundred at this point in time I believe.

To add to the foregoing there is the TUC Central office in London employing approximately sixty people which is supposed to be the political voice of the trade unions in Britain. The foregoing would be acceptable if all the above offices and those employed within them worked well together but that is very much not the case.

From 2015 until 2019 we witnessed those employed within Labours Central Office working directly against those in the Labour leaders office and also at times those in the General Secretaries Office. To add to the foregoing chaos, prior to Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary we had that office very often clashing with the TUC Central Office.

The above may all be very boring stuff to those on this forum who only wish to see a Labour government or even an effective opposition, but that can never come about until there is radical reconstruction of the Parliamentary Labour Party, the Labour Party in the country and elements within the broader Labour movement in Britain.

As stated, the above may all look very boring stuff to very many of Labours high politics only minds. However, if those people believe that it can be left to the activists in the wider Labour movement (who are very much on the left of the movement) to "sort out" the finances and offices situation to secure the path for a possible right-wing Starmer government they have another thought coming.

If the right of the Labour Party wish to see what they visualise as the parliamentary Labour Party they want, then the need to come off their high horses and get down in the dirt and along with the broader movement lay activists start attending a few grassroots meetings so as to sort out the above mess.

Although it is highly likely that the Starmer idolisers will believe that boring stuff is all below them.

Article worth a read about Starmer and the left’s insistence on seeing betrayal around every corner. They definitely need to get a grip!

t.co/k6vLOlEXHw?amp=1

Whitewavemark2

Article worth a read about Starmer and the left’s insistence on seeing betrayal around every corner. They definitely need to get a grip!

t.co/k6vLOlEXHw?amp=1

Whitewavemk2 you may not care to remember but it is being alleged that it was the right of the Labour Party working within Central Office that acted against their own elected leader that has now brought the PLP to the brink of bancrupcy and in that the largest crisis it has faced in it's history.

And you state that it is the Left of the movement that needs to get a grip.

Get Real.

Quizqueen, Do read what people have written -

there is NO left wing bias against Jewish people. Many of those left wingers are themselves Jewish.

There is strong bias against the current extreme right wing, racist government in Israel, and this government is opposed by many of us on the left, jewish, atheists, christians, muslims, etc. etc. In fact all who are disgussted with everything that this horrible governbment is doing at the present - opposed by many people in the state of Israel.

RLB had her chance to be part of government and threw it away, she was given the opportunity to withdraw the article and refused.
Wether you agree with party line or not , if you deliberately step out of line you go, no more to be said, there can only be one party line.

Davidhs

RLB had her chance to be part of government and threw it away, she was given the opportunity to withdraw the article and refused.
Wether you agree with party line or not , if you deliberately step out of line you go, no more to be said, there can only be one party line.

I agree with all you have stated Davidhs. However, the debate is why RLB carried out what she did, as surely she would have been very well aware of the very likely repercussions???

I think you are crediting her with more intelligence and strategic thinking than she deserves, if you want my best guess, she woke up and sent a tweet, she isnt the first and she wont be the last to get into trouble because of twitter. I suppose there is a question about why she refused to withdraw it. That's a purposeful decision.

Galaxy

I think you are crediting her with more intelligence and strategic thinking than she deserves, if you want my best guess, she woke up and sent a tweet, she isnt the first and she wont be the last to get into trouble because of twitter. I suppose there is a question about why she refused to withdraw it. That's a purposeful decision.

Exactly Galaxy if it was just a genuine mistake why did RLB not just apologise and withdraw the re-tweet.

I still believe there is some underlying reasoning behind what she carried out.

It doesn't really matter whether this was actually a case of limiting free speech or the use of an anti-Semitic trope. Keir Starmer could not do anything other then sack her when she would not delete it and apologise. Zero tolerance means there can be NO tolerance.

KS has shown two things. Firstly, he is willing to act when necessary and secondly that the Labour Party and some of us, including me, have to learn what those who are hurt by these comments see as anti-Semitism, so they can put the arguments forward about Israel's real behaviour when necessary.

The best answer I have seen to he accusations that anti-semitism was involved

Claims that Long-Bailey was promoting an “antisemitic conspiracy theory” should be dismissed with the contempt they so richly merit. Long-Bailey’s critics are the ones guilty of antisemitism, by holding Jewish people collectively responsible for the actions of the Israeli state. At a time when Benjamin Netanyahu’s government is preparing the formal annexation of the occupied territories, such tawdry exercises in mudslinging are the only thing Israel’s supporters can offer in its defence.

she’s performed badly against Williamson which frankly takes some doing totally agree with you there sw!

I think Jenrick should go too GG13!

Indeed UG.

Yes indeed. Johnson could follow Starmer's lead and show some courage in getting rid of people who don't have the ability or the integrity to remain shadow/ministers.

Seems the honeymoon period is over or Labour & it’s back to the infighting.

I wonder if you’re right Anniebach and Grandad1943 and that this storm has been orchestrated? Makes sense the more I think about it.

Urmstongran

Seems the honeymoon period is over or Labour & it’s back to the infighting.

I wonder if you’re right Anniebach and Grandad1943 and that this storm has been orchestrated? Makes sense the more I think about it.

Urmstongran it is not a question of a good old Labour Party infight, it is a question of the physical survival of the Parliamentary Party.

Problem is that many of the idol worshipping Starmerites in the party do not seem to be able to take that on board.

I believe that those in the wider Labour movement are very aware of that fact, despite those activists facing very many other problems at this time.

The idol worshipping Corbynites didn’t take the fact that he
was a weak leader on board and we got Johnson.

Anniebach

The idol worshipping Corbynites didn’t take the fact that he
was a weak leader on board and we got Johnson.

Yes but the idol-worshipping right of the party employed within the Parliamentary Labour Party Central Office ensured that Johnson would win by working against their own elected leader.

Real commitment to the team there. ??

I do not believe that is true.

Anniebach

I do not believe that is true.

Well, the internal investigation report is due out in July anniebach. Despite reports of non-cooperation by many within Labours Central Office the inquiry panel are advising that they should be able to conclude the report on time due to the cooperation they have received from the General Secretaries office and ex-members of the Labour leaders office.

Internal investigation!

Grandad1943 I think it’s having KS at the helm that might give Labour a chance of power at the next GE. No good Momentum wrestling for power - the electorate don’t like them and won’t vote for Labour while that’s what is on offer!

what’s the use of Labour being in opposition when with a shake-up they could have a chance of power?