Institutional racism in the police?

Are some people racist -well yes just read this thread to be certain. Will some employers appoint on the basis of skin colour -undoubtedly? Are most employers white- well yes. So the answer to the question is fairly obvious unless the company concerned has a policy of trying to ensure that ethnic minorities are properly represented in their employees. What has this to do with institutional racism in the police?- well very little. But when you are losing an argument why not introduce irrelevancies?

Ultimately Trisher, you are absolutely committed to seeing racism everywhere. Yes there are some irrelevant posts on here but these threads never seem to go anywhere, just meaningless rhetoric.

Racism undoubtedly exists and black people have every right to demand whites treat them as the equals they are. They also have the right to expect black people to bring about changes within their own community. Stop young men glorifying gun violence and drug dealing in their songs. Maybe if certain ‘role models’ didn’t promote the bling lifestyle and how to achieve it via illegal methods more young black men would have different aspirations.

Couldn’t reply without sarcasm could you trisher

The answer is not ‘fairly obvious’, not every employer runs a
company

annie over the years I’ve been involved in interviewing and appointing people to a variety of posts and have never had two people of any colour at all both equally suited to the job. It’s never worked like that. However, if I were in that position, I’d like to think I’d consider the diversity of the workplace and appoint the person I thought would contribute to that. I did once know someone who was one of the final two fora job with nothing between them ( no issues of colour or sex) - he had just been made redundant and the other candidate was in work so they gave him the job on the grounds of need. I thought that was fine - they couldn’t appoint both and they explained their decision.

Thank you suzie.

Annie you'd never get a straight answer as the racist card is then played to cover over answering a simple question.

If I was employing someone it wouldn't matter a jot what colour they were as long as their CV was sufficient enough to impress as to the nature of the work. Should it be someone of colour etc. and there were signs of unrest within the employ then I'd immediately sack those who were causing an undercurrent----simple as that.

But

But that's what you would do Ellan. The studies show that employees are discriminated against if they have a 'non English' sounding name. Sorry that's not phrased very well.

But Anniebach did get a straight answer from susiewoozy

www.personneltoday.com/hr/study-finds-alarming-discrimination-against-minority-ethnic-candidates/

This is interesting - a very well designed piece of research about what actually happens

If as it has been alleged the athletes car had black tinted windows, how can the police be guilty of racial profiling because from the rear it would have been impossible to know the colour/race of the driver/passengers, before the car was stopped and the Officers were close?

Ellan again it comes to the law, sack employees because there is ‘unrest’, ? A tribunal ?

Yes Galaxy the name , how can it be proved an employer
didn’t choose an applicant because of their name.

Why do you think this is so, Suziewoozie ?

annie have you read my link? EV unconscious bias at best, institutional racism at worst.

GG we don’t know about the tinted windows for sure do we? If it’s true, I’m surprised they haven’t been charged with that offence. But as I’ve said before, I’m awaiting the findings from the next stage?

suziewoozie

GG we don’t know about the tinted windows for sure do we? If it’s true, I’m surprised they haven’t been charged with that offence. But as I’ve said before, I’m awaiting the findings from the next stage?

It occurred to me when I was following Mr.GG13's car, it is big and has dark tinted windows and I couldn't tell if it was him or our DD driving.

The police said that the windows were illegally tinted - that’s what we don’t know for sure. Sorry I wasn’t clear - the people concerned said the windows were factory fitted tinted.

Did the police say in a statement the windows were illegally
tinted or did the couple in the car say - the police said they were illegally tinted ?

suziewoozie

The police said that the windows were illegally tinted - that’s what we don’t know for sure. Sorry I wasn’t clear - the people concerned said the windows were factory fitted tinted.

Therein lies the problem, you can have your windows tinted to any level when ordering a new car to your own specifications, some of which are now illegal.

Erm, what sort of an answer is that trisher ? Unconscious bias ?
A sidestepping answer from you ?

Annie those who I would sack would be sacked because of discrimination against other work colleagues of a different ethnicity.

illegally tinted? I've never heard of that.

Is that for front windscreen or all windows?
We can't see into the back of ours from the outside.

Was Bianca sitting in the back with the baby or the front passenger seat?

Windscreens and front side windows have a limit to the tint allowed, some owners darken them illegally with vinyl film, it’s fairly common. Police don’t like it because the can’t identify drivers on cameras, it’s also unsafe.

A while woman and a black woman applied for the same job, both are equally qualified, the employer chooses to give the job to a white woman, can the employer be accused of being a racist ?

Not if they have followed best practice and are able to demonstrate the reasons why one was chosen over the other. If Equally qualified and shortlisted then they should be able to show what was the tipping point in the actual interview.

If they can't do that or have spurious reasons that do not stand up to scrutiny then racism becomes a clear possibility!!

Re tinted windows; the law says that the front window must let 75% of light through, the front side windows 705 of light through. The police are issued with equipment to check if windows are legal. just looking at them would not confirm if legal or not.