Johnson and a new deal

It is an interesting question though, whether people who usually vote Conservative because they believe in a small state will agree with Boris Johnson's policies now that they include using the state to stimulate the economy.

Will they be o.k. with these policies because:
A) Boris Johnson is suggesting them.
or
B) They can see that a change of policy regarding state help is a necessity due to the effects of covid 19.

or
Do they not agree with this sort of stimulus package at all because it is so unusual in Conservative Governments who usually want to reduce state spending.

I personally think this is the right direction to take, the economy will need a great deal of stimulating after the pandemic is over (which will probably not be for some time).
I would love to see projects such as home insulation as well as the large infrastructure ones. If this has to be introduced by a Tory Govt. well so be it.

As a Labour party member myself, the jury is still out on our new leader as far as I am concerned, and if his policies turn out to be very similar to Tory party policy, I really won't feel so bad about this current Govt.

Janpt and Jabberwok, you're wasting your precious breath. this thread is the same few lefty know-it-alls, they won't even acknowledge your point of view but will continue to sneer. The only thing missing from their usual posts is the quote from or the link to The Guardian........give it time.
Leaving the thread now so WW2, MaizieD, Growstuff, et al feel free to torpedo all you like, I've gone bye bye.

I love the way theright wing on here come in moan about posts by those opposing the government, offer nothing constructive whatsoever let alone evidence to support their opinions and then tell each other not to bother????

jabberwok that sounds exactly like Westminster to me and then add on the UNELECTED "lords" and its a toxic mix of old boys clubs getting as much for themselves and to hell with the people !

Peardrop50 Sorry to see you go but thanks for your support. We're fighting a losing battle with these brain washed lefties.

MaizieD

You do realise, don't you, David that £5 billion will go absolutely NOWHERE. It's spitting on a forest fire to try to put it out. It's a figure to impress the -idiots- people who thought that a £9 billion annual payment to the EU was bankrupting the country. And since I've mentioned it, it's only just over half of that annual payment being split over, 5 years isn't it? What happened to £350 million per week?

It's utterly pathetic.

Well, I have to agree with you MaizieD.
Are we sure it's £5 billion?

That's pocket money.

Janpt

Dinahmo So you fiddle the books for your clients. That's something to be proud of.

That's not what I said. I said that they manipulated their income not that they fiddled. There is a difference. They have a company and are free to choose how much they pay to themselves in salaries and dividends. And it's not fiddling the books. It would be fiddling if they didn't declare all their income in the company's accounts but that's not the case.

Janpt No I 'm guilty of using the word feckless.. However, it was one often used by posters with similar views to you and is not hugely different to "irresponsible" used in your post 12.34.16.

Also it's not just the poor who need social workers. My niece is one and she told me once that once of her cases was a wealthy family in Kensington with an abusive husband.

Before anyone moans - that's all she told me.

Callistemon

MaizieD

You do realise, don't you, David that £5 billion will go absolutely NOWHERE. It's spitting on a forest fire to try to put it out. It's a figure to impress the -idiots- people who thought that a £9 billion annual payment to the EU was bankrupting the country. And since I've mentioned it, it's only just over half of that annual payment being split over, 5 years isn't it? What happened to £350 million per week?

It's utterly pathetic.

Well, I have to agree with you MaizieD.
Are we sure it's £5 billion?

That's pocket money.

£5 billion is the total of money announced so far. £1 billion has been announced for schools. As I've already pointed out, it's over ten years and would possibly just about build three or four secondary schools a year.

The money for hospitals is a con too. Much of the money was already allocated. There's precious little new money.

It's peanuts!

A proper New Deal would need at least ten times that much and would involve more than vanity infrastructure projects. Johnson needs to go back to his history books and findout what the New Deal involved.

Janpt

Peardrop50 Sorry to see you go but thanks for your support. We're fighting a losing battle with these brain washed lefties.

At least they have brains.

Germany has announced a €130bn package and their economy hasn’t been so badly hit as the U.K.

Oh well, we will soon be back to being the sick man of Europe again,

Dinahmo How dare you attribute the word feckless relating to some parents to me. It is not a word I would use and I would like to make it clear it was your word not mine.

growstuff and so do we [have brains]. Difference is we use them.

Dinahmo I would have thought that a wealthy woman in Kensington would have seen a lawyer regarding her abusive husband rather than a young social worker.
Also I doubt if the word feckless is used by people with similar views to me and is very different to the word irresponsible which I would use. You should get your facts right before making false accusations.

Lets face facts it doesn't really matter how much Johnson is promising most of it will be given/spaffed on schemes put together by Dom's mates/relatives. They are probably already planning schemes which might (or might not) work.

Janpt

Peardrop50 Sorry to see you go but thanks for your support. We're fighting a losing battle with these brain washed lefties.

Who has brainwashed these poor lefties ? ??
At least they back up their assertions rather than just coming out with sound bites and running away.

Lucca

Janpt

Peardrop50 Sorry to see you go but thanks for your support. We're fighting a losing battle with these brain washed lefties.

Who has brainwashed these poor lefties ? ??
At least they back up their assertions rather than just coming out with sound bites and running away.

She's a bit obsessed with brainwashed "lefties" .

My solid as a rock Tory parents would be turning in their urns to think they were being accused of brainwashing me.

It certainly would be good to read an intelligent and coherent post from those calling "lefties" names.

Janpt

Dinahmo How dare you attribute the word feckless relating to some parents to me. It is not a word I would use and I would like to make it clear it was your word not mine.

Please read the posts correctly. I have already said that I wrote feckless.

Janpt

Dinahmo I would have thought that a wealthy woman in Kensington would have seen a lawyer regarding her abusive husband rather than a young social worker.
Also I doubt if the word feckless is used by people with similar views to me and is very different to the word irresponsible which I would use. You should get your facts right before making false accusations.

You obviously don't know how the system works. Social workers are appointed by the courts, or local authorities if abuse is reported to them and they feel that it should be investigated.

FYI My niece is very well qualified and is 41 - young in my eyes I know but not in the general scheme of work.

Finally, from what you have written your political vies are somewhat different to mine and you will find, if you care to look, that on many threads the word feckless has been used.

I often think it's a bit weird when older people start resenting people getting state support, seeing that our generation lacked for nothing. Free schooling, free university or technical college (in fact, we even got paid to go), free medical care, free dentistry, child allowance for all our children...

Even the ghastly grocer's daughter from Grantham had the full advantage of this but then she decided to pull the rug out from under the feet of future generations...

Anybody have an opinion of Johnson's so-called New deal?

MaizieD At least we all got it not just those who made no effort.
Margaret Thatcher was an inspiration and did a far better job than the ghastly Marxist Corbyn and his Marxist cronies.

MaizieD

I often think it's a bit weird when older people start resenting people getting state support, seeing that our generation lacked for nothing. Free schooling, free university or technical college (in fact, we even got paid to go), free medical care, free dentistry, child allowance for all our children...

Even the ghastly grocer's daughter from Grantham had the full advantage of this but then she decided to pull the rug out from under the feet of future generations...

Over a lifetime, approximately 70% of people in the UK receive more from the state than they contribute. That includes people who consider themselves comfortable. It's really not a scrounging minority, as some people would like others to think it is.

new deal .. for whom? not for the likes of us working class or the disabled.....something to benefit the tory party...

Janpt

MaizieD At least we all got it not just those who made no effort.
Margaret Thatcher was an inspiration and did a far better job than the ghastly Marxist Corbyn and his Marxist cronies.

I know plenty of people of my age who made very little effort but are quite comfortable today. Some of them realise their good fortune and haven't been overcome by smugness.