Anyone live in Leicester? The lockdown there has been extended.

I think this is a wake-up call for everybody. It just shows how fragile this whole situation is, and the virus will not be tamed until there is a vaccination available to everybody, worldwide.

We all have a part to play, and we all have to be careful.

This morning someone blamed non ventilated factories, plus it is a multi ethnicity city and we know BAME communities suffer more. We live in Derbyshire an adjoining County so hope they don’t rush to all our shops and pubs. Not that I am going to either anytime soon.

Spot on JenniferEccles.
We went through Leicester a year or so ago and it was mainly asians living there.

Walsall will be next.
And before i get accused of being racist by some,let me tell you that is far from the truth as i am stating a fact.

It's not a second wave, it's an extension of the first, according to WHO

Logistically to put a cordon around Leicester to prevent all movement in and out would prove to be impossible unless the armed forces were to be deployed.

I would not have a problem with this, but I guess that I am in the minority?

Children can be asymptomatic but take Covid home to their multigenerational households.

These are often the families which have a high incidence of diabetes and that puts a strain on health services.

Poorly ventilated garment factories, of which there are many in Leicester, are another risk factor. A lot of these have been running throughout lockdown.

Illte

The Pakistani population of Leicester is just over 2%. Just thought you might like to know.

It makes no difference.
If you had gone overseas to visit family for a short trip then got stuck for months because you didn't get on to one of the charter flights home again, wouldn't you be desperate to get back home again as soon as flights started up again which they started to do at the end of May?
Especially as COVID19 is not covered by travel insurance?

I know I would, even though I'd be very apprehensive about the flight.

That's why we should have been stricter about testing people who arrived and quarantine.

This will occur in other places too. In England the policy seems to be suppression rather than the Scottish policy of elimination. We in Scotland are told in the briefing everyday to remain cautious and to follow FACTS which stands for Facecoverings, Avoid crowds, clean hands, two metres, and self isolate if displaying symptoms etc. The message is much more serious and we seem to be doing well. I certainly prefer the approach to the jokey 'whack a mole' and go out on 4th July so it is busy! Who in their right mind thought opening things on a Saturday was sensible!! There will be a lot more lockdowns in the weeks following the 'pubs opening' in England.

Timetogo.
"We went through Leicester and it is mostly Asians living there"

The two biggest ethnic groups of Leicester

White British 45%
Indian origin 28%

The remainder a rich mix of ethnicity and origin.

That's a real fact.

You are racist.

Still no testing on entry, not even a very simple temperature gun and certainly no quarantine. No enforcement at all at airports.

Illte

A bit of researching on the Web.

The cases are mostly in the Eastern area of the city. There are British Indian, (Punjabi and Gujerati) communities there but also a white British community.

Im not sure why people think the Pakistani community is responsible for the spike. Its a small part of the population and not in the Eastern area.

It's starting to sound like a bit of a witch hunt to me.

Oh dear.
Facts are facts.

Two possible sources for the renewed outbreak
Fact:
People arriving home now flights have been re-started from a country which has a spike in cases
A meat processing factory

There are some provocateurs on here, as always.

The outbreaks in meat processing factories are very worrying too.
I wondered (but have heard no scientific evidence about this) whether or not there has been COVID19 present in animals before this but it is only recently that it has been able to transfer to humans and then human to human?

And before i get accused of being racist by some,let me tell you that is far from the truth as i am stating a fact.

Over half of the population of Leicester is actually White according to the most recent census. 37% are Asian timetogo2016 so I don't think you are as factual as you think.

GagaJo

Callistemon, no, people aren't checked when returning to the UK. They're advised to register where they're isolating on the You Gov website. But there is no check that they've done it at any point of entry to the UK.

Thanks Gagajo
A major failure and one which could result in another spike in cases as people return from overseas.

We could have been stuck overseas had we decided to go earlier than planned this year - and without travel insurance.

Surely makes sense to concentrate on the meat-processing plant before fussing about people getting off aeroplanes, or the ethnicity of the local population, which are not so very different in Leicester from umpteen other places..

I live 10 miles outside Leicester and visit it often - although I am not going anywhere present. The multi ethnic communities there are far more civilised than many white British communities I have seen. There appears to be some reason, other than culture, as to why non-white communities are more affected by the virus. We have enough racial prejudice in this country, without laying the blame for the virus on non-whites. And yes, before you ask, I am white British, although I am not always proud of it.

Re the meat processing.. I heard a virologist on the radio say its great conditions for the virus - cool/cold and moist air. Lots of spray and damp. Fairly close working conditions even with mitigations and lots of people sharing poor housing sites is low paid work.

Teacher bashing, minority bashing, nothing to do with Cummings who is a plaster saint etc.
Great thread.

Well NotSpaghetti i must must have gone through a mainly asian area.
But i appreciate i may have the facts wrong.
And no i am not racist Illte,i have asian friends who i think the world of.

I live about 12 miles from Leicester and always enjoy my visits there and was looking forward to going soon to the wonderful fresh food market, shops and cinema. I feel extremely sorry for the people of Leicester and hope these measures can be temporary and the virus controlled.

It's nothing to do with laying the blame on non-whites.

It's a fact that flights have now just resumed from Pakistan
It's a fact that Pakistan has a spike in cases
It's a fact that this country has failed to test and quarantine people arriving home from overseas.
It's a fact that, for reasons we don't yet understand, abpnd all other factors taken into account, BAME people are more susceptible to this virus.
It's a fact that meat processing factories seem to be sources of new and localised spikes in cases.

As flights are resumed and more Britons return from overseas, we may well see numbers of cases rise.

My friend told me about the spike about 10 days ago and said that a hub had been set up there. He works in the NHS there and seemed to think that, sadly, it was going to affect the Asian community disproportionately.

This is something I read on the King's College app website. I'm posting it here as think it's pertinent. The "Anna" is a research scientist from Nottingham:

^Several studies have also shown that people of BAME (black, Asian, and minority ethnic) descent are at increased risk of the deadly effects of COVID-19.

Ana believes that this may be due to differences in glucose metabolism between different ethnicities. For example, African Americans are 60 per cent more likely to be diagnosed with type 2 diabetes than non-Hispanic white people. And people from South Asian communities are up to 6 times more likely to have diabetes than the general population.^

Here's the link. It's way more interesting than this above:

covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-blood-sugar-inflammation

Callistemon

It's nothing to do with laying the blame on non-whites.

It's a fact that flights have now just resumed from Pakistan
It's a fact that Pakistan has a spike in cases
It's a fact that this country has failed to test and quarantine people arriving home from overseas.
It's a fact that, for reasons we don't yet understand, abpnd all other factors taken into account, BAME people are more susceptible to this virus.
It's a fact that meat processing factories seem to be sources of new and localised spikes in cases.

As flights are resumed and more Britons return from overseas, we may well see numbers of cases rise.

Absolutely - testing and quarantining everybody who arrives from an area with a higher rate than ours, or indeed any hotspot is the only way.
I hope political correctness will not obstruct a sensible and effective response. Blame doesn’t come into it -racism even less so.
Remember the Rochdale child sex abuse ring? We need to be honest and upfront.

Callistemon

But the spike isn't in the Pakistani community.

Do you actually know if anyone has returned from Pakistan to their family in Leicester? Has any returnee to Leicester been diagnosed with Covid.

That would be a fact.