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Brexit Re-booted

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jul-20 08:07:06

Whilst we have all been busy with C19, Brexit has been still in the background, so I thought as a break from C19 I would start up Brexit again??

Latest gossip/leak

Liz Truss has written to Johnson warning him that his border plans “ risk smuggling, damage to the U.K. reputation and WTO wrath who may well launch a legal challenge over the plan to phase in customs and health checks Over 6 months.

Something else that’s going to run and run.

Negotiations with the EU are due to end 31 October.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 07-Sept-20 10:27:02

No human being is worthless, I dislike several MP's and so called celebrities but they are human beings, someone's son/daughter, mother/father or sister/brother.

Davidhs Mon 07-Sept-20 10:37:11

£31 billion is peanuts compared with the cost of Covid 19, in any case with good will that could be paid over a number of years, there is no good will.

Brexiteers have run for cover because it is becoming increasingly clear the were seduced by BJ et al. My friends were cock a hoop when the referendum result was known I will take great pleasure reminding the how wrong they were.

MaizieD Mon 07-Sept-20 11:09:31

GrannyGravy13

No human being is worthless, I dislike several MP's and so called celebrities but they are human beings, someone's son/daughter, mother/father or sister/brother.

Being related to people doesn't confer 'worth'. GG13.

growstuff Mon 07-Sept-20 11:14:41

Urmstongran

I thought NI were happy growstuff the best of both worlds for 4 years then vote?

Grandad1943 I didn’t disappoint!
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That comment was a bit mean MaizieD just because we disagree doesn’t make me a Stepford wife.

Do you need a handkerchief for all that bile and tears?

No, they don't have the best of both worlds.

Where on earth do you get your information from?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 07-Sept-20 13:53:19

Never a truer word

varian Tue 08-Sept-20 10:45:42

Leave voter Sean O'Grady realises now that he was wrong-

"Four years ago, I voted for Brexit. If only I'd known then what we all know now"

"I did not vote for – or desire, at any rate – a so-called "hard Brexit" that will have a hugely damaging effect on the economy and jobs. We don’t have free-trade deals with anyone else, and even if we did, they would not – cannot – make up for the loss of trade with the single market.

Even now, four years on, we don’t know our terms of exit. When they become knowable, they will still lack democratic legitimacy; we really should have that second referendum – the “final say” on Brexit.

If I knew then what I know now, I’d never have voted Leave."

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-boris-johnson-david-cameron-immigration-eu-referendum-a9580561.html

Whitewavemark2 Tue 08-Sept-20 13:19:59

Another top civil servant has resigned.

This time it is Sir Johnathan Jones the chief legal advisor.

He can no longer work with this government whose behaviour over the WA has meant as a legal advisor he cannot stand by Johnson’s intention.

varian Tue 08-Sept-20 14:08:15

Boris Johnson's Brexit plan 'does break international law' as top legal adviser quits

news.sky.com/story/jonathan-jones-head-of-governments-legal-department-quits-over-pms-reported-brexit-plan-whitehall-sources-say-12066488

Whitewavemark2 Tue 08-Sept-20 14:56:47

Blimey.

Brandon Lewis admitted that they intended to break international law.

They signed up to it nearly a year ago despite warnings from parliament. So which is it.

Did Johnson lack the capacity to understand what he was signing up to despite being warned by parliament, or is it that Johnson can’t be trusted to honour agreements?

I suspect the latter.

Johnson is behaving like an arrogant Bullingdon shit.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 08-Sept-20 15:25:13

Tories are very uncomfortable with this admission.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 08-Sept-20 15:27:05

Opinion in the FT

Whitewavemark2 Tue 08-Sept-20 15:27:58

M. Thatcher, 1975: ‘Britain does not renounce Treaties. Indeed, to do so would damage our own integrity as well as international relations.’

Whitewavemark2 Tue 08-Sept-20 15:45:09

Cummings coup seems to be working

Rumours around Whitehall that Lord Keene, advocate general for Scotland, is on the brink of resigning - following departure of head of the government legal department Jonathan Jones earlier today

Whitewavemark2 Tue 08-Sept-20 15:46:47

The Barnard Castle doctrine is being applied internationally.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 08-Sept-20 15:56:04

Apparently given the governments admission that it intends to break the rule of law. The lord chancellor Robert Buckland will have to consider his position as he has a constitutional duty to protect the rule of law as recognised by the statute

Constitutional Reform Act 2005

Alegrias Tue 08-Sept-20 16:26:35

Urmstongran

What's in no doubt is that Mr Abbott is a passionate believer in Brexit and an Anglophile, but also that he is a political red rag to the Left.

That may be true but he's also a liar. Bare faced lie, right there on national TV. Then he got caught like a sulky schoolboy.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvYzLIywCiA

I watched the original interview live in TV in Australia at the time.

vegansrock Tue 08-Sept-20 17:12:03

There are some posters who believe Brexit in whatever guise, whatever the repercussions, whatever the damage to the U.K. is a “good thing” no matter what. Whoever believes in Brexit is therefore a good person who must be worshipped. It’s a bit like a Cargo Cult- if you don’t know what they are look them up , a fascinating bit of history.

paddyanne Tue 08-Sept-20 17:22:00

American congress votes against Johnstons Brexit plans for NI.they dont want the Good Friday agreement interfered with in any way .It was an international agreement and Bojo MUST stick to the rules where it is concerned .They helped broker it so its in their interests to make sure it survives the chief clown!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 08-Sept-20 17:27:35

We must hope with every fibre that Trump doesn’t win.

Grany Tue 08-Sept-20 17:34:06

This is highly unusual and I wonder whether our Monarch ought to summon her PM? As Government admits new Brexit bill 'will break international law'

Grandad1943 Tue 08-Sept-20 18:08:12

I believe I must be missing something here.

Surely if it is a no-deal scenario at the end of December the border with the EU in Ireland has to be between the North and South of that island.

Having a border or even checks between Britain an Northern Ireland would serve no purpose as both parties will remain as part of the United Kindom and outside the European Union.

An ineffectual border whose only effect would be was the creation of delays and bureaucracy. ?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 08-Sept-20 18:21:47

If no deal then the U.K. will have trashed the GFA by having a border between the two areas.

USA has said that they can never do a deal with the U.K. if that is the case.

Other countries will be nervous of our trustworthiness

varian Tue 08-Sept-20 18:49:20

We have a government controlled by an unelected "Spad" who has no regard for UK law or international law, who sees itself as above or beyond the law and does not seem to care that its actions will make the UK a pariah state.

If the government's misbehaviour is not stopped we will not be able to enter into any international treaties for trade or anything else. This Vote Leave government is intent on wrecking our country.

Are there any decent people left in the Conservative party?, because they seem to be the only ones who could stop this madness.

MayBee70 Tue 08-Sept-20 19:04:15

An unelected Spad who spent three years in Russia and no one seems to know what he was doing there and no one seems to question it either.

Urmstongran Tue 08-Sept-20 20:07:40

This is all heating up nicely with only five weeks to go!

MP Bill Cash (ex lawyer) put Clause 38 into the WA. Boris told him it was the pinnacle of his career.

It will focus minds at the 11th hour. A deal will be reached, I’m sure of it.

Trump will win again. I’m sure of that too.

5 weeks to Brexit (all bar the shouting).
3 months to the USA elections.

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