Brexit Re-booted

Urmstongran

I suppose Abbott will be giving his views. Not a bad thing really - how to steer Brexit through No Deal. Australia has negotiated many individual ones with other countries so he must have some insight to have been approached.

The EU will be missing their ‘big hitter’ Big Phil Hogan from Ireland in their negotiating team. They will miss him now he’s resigned.

Are you aware of Abbott and his incompetence?

I think one of the issues (well amongst hundreds) is that we do not seem to have grasped the imbalance of economic power between us and the EU.

Their power is so much greater than ours and they are constantly guided by the agreed and tried and tested rules governing the EU.

None of this seems to be understood by the idiots in government.

E-mail from Dominic Grieve.

“Over the weekend a document containing the government’s own predictions of the worst case of a No Deal Brexit coinciding with a second wave of coronavirus was leaked. Here are just some of the catastrophic consequences that the government predicts:

A “Systemic economic crisis” creating mass unemployment, price increases and shortages. They predict that this will hit the poorest the hardest.
Blockages at the border threatening supplies of food and fuel, and could even lead to water rationing and power cuts.
Crucially during a second wave border queues could lead to medical shortages
The document predicts such an extensive list of possible horrors that we couldn’t list all of them here.

This leak comes just days after Michel Barnier announced that there is a high chance that the negotiations could end in a No Deal and as scientists warn of a second coronavirus wave. This report may outline the worst case, but as we hurtle towards a No Deal Brexit it cannot be denied that this is a very real possibility.“

to compound this, we now know that this year's grain and other agriculture harvests have been very poor- pushing price up and also making massive imports necessary this coming winter- yep- just in time ...

The Irish foreign minister who orchestrated Johnson’s climb down last year on (in effect) keeping Northern Ireland in the EU is now set to become trade chief for the entire EU27! While Britain goes from humiliation to humiliation.

Twitter.

Seems a perfect storm is coming doomsters.

I’m glad Dominic Grieve isn’t coming to lunch today. Boy he could suck the joy out of anyone’s day!

‘Could’
‘Might’

Very few people die of starvation in the western world.

We will be fine. A deal will get done. I’d bet on it.

And that Trump gets a second term.
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Ps last year we didn’t have David Frost on our negotiating team. A big plus.
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I agree Urmstongran and I'm sick of all the doomsters. Yes I think Trump will get a second term as well, that will certainly ruffle a few feathers ha ha.

After our experience this year of covid, most of us will be more than aware of issues surrounding farmed animals.

Not it seems the government.

As we leave the EU, It has now weakened the restriction on the use of antibiotics in farmed animals.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will know the outcome of wider use.

Not this shower it seems. Or at least they don’t care.

Perhaps some posters should lighten up a bit it can't be good for your health to be so pessimistic all the time. ?

Gray skies are gonna clear up
Put on a happy face
Brush off the clouds and cheer up
Put on a happy face

Take off the gloomy mask of tragedy
It's not your style
You'll look so good that you'll be glad
You decide to smile

Pick out a pleasant outlook
Stick out that noble chin
Wipe off that "full of doubt" look
Slap on a happy grin

And spread sunshine all over the place
And put on a happy face

And if you're feeling cross and bickerish
Don't sit and whine
Think of banana splits and licorice
And you'll feel fine

I knew a girl so gloomy
She'd never laugh or sing
She wouldn't listen to me
Now she's a mean old thing

So spread sunshine all over the place
And put on a happy, happy face

Whitewavemark2

After our experience this year of covid, most of us will be more than aware of issues surrounding farmed animals.

Not it seems the government.

As we leave the EU, It has now weakened the restriction on the use of antibiotics in farmed animals.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will know the outcome of wider use.

Not this shower it seems. Or at least they don’t care.

I think that along with this issue, we now have Abbott a failed Australian politician, who was booted out by his own side and is also a climate change denier as well as a known misogynist.

Johnson/Cummings actively seeking to recruit him as an EU trade negotiator.

His only qualification is that he identifies with the hard right.

So another incompetent joins the team. Gives you real confidence doesn’t it?

Hooray for the optimists! - warning for the pessimists (especially as your rantings have been interminable) this condition is bad for your health. What is the point of carrying on when the decision has been made ?

You didn’t dream it Gill.

Which decision has been made? The decision was to have a Deal, a great Deal, and easy peasy Deal, as we held all the cards.

What % of the vote voted for NO DEAL and the dreadful consequences it will have on jobs, the NHS, and everything else.

You optimists will be the first to rant interminably - with serious effects on your health- when the NHS is gone, workers' rights gone, food and goods standards gone, tarifs make it impossible to export or import- and we have food shortages and we cannot access medicines. This of course combined with 2 previously unknown factors, Covid19 and terrible harvests due to bad weather.

Slappy face sounds more like it.

And responsibility you will have to accept - it will be yours to carry. And you won't be forgiven.

it will be yours to carry. And you won't be forgiven
I'm quaking in my boots, ?

Keep it for later- when it all becomes clearer.

Does anyone else think that the govt's recent acts, such as recruiting Abbott as a trade negotiator and appointing David Frost are intended to ensure that the UK leaves the EU without a deal?

One of the latest moves is to amend the chapter of the divorce treaty that protects speciality food. The UK negotiators want to water down the geographical indications policy which protects foods such as roquefort, parmesan and feta cheeses but wants to retain the protection for British foodstuffs such as Cornish pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies and Scotch whisky. The relevant legislation was part of the agreement signed by Johnson last October. It is yet another example of the govt reneging on parts of the document that they have already agreed to.

I thought the Benn Act ruled out a No deal brexit?

I doubt that Johnson and his cohorts care about that.

it was quietly annuled when no-one was watching

I strongly suspect that the UK will leave without a deal. Some will make big gains that the rest will pay for. Give it a decade or so and we will rejoin at terms that are dictated.

A huge portion of those who will have to pay, will be those that voted for this- based on lies and more lies.

NFU is in a state of panic over the likelihood of a no deal.

Davidhs

It does not need to be a Charter for Smugglers but checks will be needed. The border crossings between Switzerland and the EU work smoothly, sometimes you get stopped sometimes you don’t, (we did). Commercial goods go through separate channel’s and get inspected. Once the rules are established it will be routine but not everyone will like it that’s for sure.

The border crossing work smoothly for Switzerland because, even though it's not in the EU, it is in Schengen and subscribes to the single market. The UK will be in neither of these.

And part of the price for having this arrangement is that it allows the free movement of people.