Leavers. Were you absolutely clear that a no deal Brexit would mean job losses?

Jacob Rees-Mogg certainly warned voters that it would be many years before we were better off, but that was better than being “vassal” state

Grayling is not happy about it - how ridiculous.

Looking forward to the 20 acre lorry park in Kent, are you, Ug?

This thread tells you why it will be needed:

twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1282033376397008896

(If you don't want to open the link I'll copy and paste it all on here)

This was indeed the result then - what was it Gove said about Democracy and changing your mind. The question was not about whether you have changed your mind- but whether you now still believe promises made will materialise, in the NOW and current situation.

I haven’t changed my mind about Brexit.
It’s only just taking shape! 3 years of prevarication.

Now Boris has an 80 seat majority, Rishi Sunak (a Leaver) instead of Philip Hammond (a Remainer) in the Treasury, a new man in charge of the BoE and the transition has not been extended (although the EU hoped it would be) we are finally on our way. Which pleases me, but not others I concede. But we all had a vote and this was the result!

senses! Why is there no correct function on this site?

MaizieD

^I don't see the point in the OP's post^

All I was trying to do, oopsminty was to test the truth of Leadsom's assertion that Leave voters knew, (before the referendum ?) that jobs would be lost if there was a no deal.

I wasn't intending to go any further than that. It's up to other posters if they want to wander from the OP.

Fair enough, MaizieD

'A couple of years ago I posted fulsomely on my reasons for voting Leave and the hopes and expectations that such a decision would deliver.'

a couple of years ago was another world - when promises were made and none of them have been fulfilled. We were promised tons of money for the NHS, a great fast and easy deal, no issues with borders and tarifs - and it was all before the disaster of Covid19.

Do you believe now that those hopes and expectations will come to fruition? A large proportion of those who voted Leave, and Conservative- on promises made, now have come to their sense and realise they have been taken for a big ride- and many have lost loved ones in terrible circumstances, partly due to terrible mismanagement of the situation.

I don't see the point in the OP's post

All I was trying to do, oopsminty was to test the truth of Leadsom's assertion that Leave voters knew, (before the referendum ?) that jobs would be lost if there was a no deal.

I wasn't intending to go any further than that. It's up to other posters if they want to wander from the OP.

I’m not going into all that anymore growstuff! It won’t amount to a hill of beans now. A couple of years ago I posted fulsomely on my reasons for voting Leave and the hopes and expectations that such a decision would deliver.

Perhaps go back over the archives and trawl through some of them if you’re really interested?

So what are you looking forward to Urmstongran? Please share.

If you wish hard enough biba70!
Who trusts polls anyway?
They said Brexit wouldn’t happen! Remember David Dimblebey’s face in the early hours after the referendum? That’s how much of a shock it was.

Even months ago, only 35% said they still wanted to leave- I bet it is even less now we are heading for No Deal and the massive issues which are no longer 'project fear' but 'project fact on steroids'.

recent polls indicate that 60% now don't want Brexit - and many of the 40% are now not sure... so it seems the answer is no.

Are Leavers still happy with the prospect of more job losses in addition to the enormous number lost due to Covid19?

Agreed, but there are still EU citizens in the UK and few people want to do the low paying jobs anyway.

Many people said before the referendum that one outcome of Brexit would be deregulation of workers' rights, but apparently it was all Project Fear. Give it time!

PS. 73 workers on a farm in Malvern have just tested positive for Covid-19, so I'm sure the farm has plenty of vacancies.

'So the net result would be loss of high paying jobs, to be replaced by low paying ones.'

however, the first has happened, massively and getting worse by the day - and the second has not happened, as local un-employed have not applied or given up after hours or days. Tories want to deregulate workers' rights, minimum wage, etc - and yet now blame Labour for sweatshops in Leicester!

From memory, I believe Leavers claimed there would be more jobs in sectors where jobs were being done by immigrants eg fruit picking, care work, packaging, courier work.

Remainers claimed (and they were right) that there would be a loss of jobs in financial services and the car industry.

The first jobs I remember going were the 2000 from the European Medicines Agency when it transferred from Canary Wharf to Amsterdam. I remember that one because a friend was made redundant.

So the net result would be loss of high paying jobs, to be replaced by low paying ones.

The loss of retail jobs probably doesn't have much to do with Brexit, but the high street was on its last legs anyway and Covid-19 has hastened its demise.

but the combination of the two will be doubly disastrous, no?

We'll never really know, will we?
The fall out from the pandemic will be far worse and eclipse any fall out from a No Deal Brexit.

I agree Oopsminty the job losses will be everywhere.

I don't see the point in the OP's post

Had we not had the pandemic, I'd appreciate it and ask the question myself

But now the world is facing massive job losses

Unemployment across Europe has risen due to the coronavirus pandemic with airline companies and the automobile sector making some of the biggest job cuts.

About 397,000 people in the European Union lost their jobs in April, according to data from the EU's stats agency, released in June.

www.euronews.com/2020/07/06/coronavirus-job-cuts-which-companies-in-europe-are-slashing-their-workforces-because-of-co

Urmstongran says ' Even with a deal things would change. Some jobs would go. Others would take their place.'

so what will happen with No Deal?

"No deal is better than a bad deal" T May.

Thanks for your responses everyone. Hi no

As a remainer Theresa May was very half hearted in her approach to Brexit and let the EU walk all over her and did not contemplate a no deal. The issue of possible job losses was I believe raised in a Treasury Report presented before the general election of 2016 when David Cameron had mucked up mega big time in agreeing to a referendum. I have looked up Andrea Leadsome and I can find nothing apart from that report which suggested job losses of 500,000 to back up what she says.
The strongest advocate of No Deal was and is Nigel Farage and it was only when TM had failed to deliver for various reasons that BJ and No Deal came to ascendency.

Yes I voted to leave. I did not for one minute believe all the scaremongering about unemployment and I still don’t not in the Brexit context anyway.