Leavers. Were you absolutely clear that a no deal Brexit would mean job losses?

don't forget you'll need a pet passport to bring it to the mainland after Brexit.

You won't be able to get it in at all if you're going in the opposite direction, UK to NI, because the 'border' in the Irish sea is an EU border and they will no longer accept our pet passports.

In the case of beef and lamb there will be a trade off, we allow a quota of beef in they will do the same for lamb. There are plenty of areas that we disagree on, Beef and lamb is not one of them. We may well end up with WTO rules on most things but there has to be a workable way of controlling customs, the EU have always allowed quotas of certain commodities at concessionary rates from third countries

The most contentious issue is going to be fisheries, at present they have EU quota, the U.K. will have the right to quota in our own territorial waters. A way will be negotiated to divide fishing rights between UK and EU fishing boats.

I’m sorry if my logical predictions are not accepted but I am confident that workable solutions will be found, even if it is grudgingly and the UK is 6 months late actioning it.

Whichever way you look at it we will be worse off.

“I will believe some kind of agreement with Ireland when I see it. Until then, I don't expect anything“

The Irish north and south co-exist quite happily at present, after Brexit there are going to be plenty of opportunities to gain advantage, so showing a passport across the Irish Sea is not going to be a big deal.

With regard to fishing quotas Davidhs I have read (BBC website) about 55% of the English fishing quota is in the hands of vessels based in Iceland, Spain and the Netherlands, a practice known as quota hopping.

I wonder how that works with “taking back control”?

Davidhs

“I will believe some kind of agreement with Ireland when I see it. Until then, I don't expect anything“

The Irish north and south co-exist quite happily at present, after Brexit there are going to be plenty of opportunities to gain advantage, so showing a passport across the Irish Sea is not going to be a big deal.

You seem to be missing the point David. It's not showing a passport which will be the issue.

Greeneyedgirl

With regard to fishing quotas Davidhs I have read (BBC website) about 55% of the English fishing quota is in the hands of vessels based in Iceland, Spain and the Netherlands, a practice known as quota hopping.

I wonder how that works with “taking back control”?

We sold it to them.

It seems to me that a few people are being deliberately obtuse, throwing in all sorts of spurious arguments to cover up the fact, that deep down, in their heart of hearts, they know this is going to be an absolute disaster. I have no intention of eating US imported meat, but that is an easy decision for me as I don't eat meat anyway, but this does not stop me from being disgusted at the reasons behind the need for chlorine washing, the animal welfare is shocking and that should bother everyone irrespective of whether or not they eat meat. One of the drugs used to fatten pigs in USA feeding lots is banned in EU and even in Russia and China, but we will be expected to accept it here with imported pork. Honestly people, we need to be looking at the bigger picture here, the health of our children and grandchildren, the animal welfare abuses, not just wittering on about whether or not people can afford to shop in Waitrose or the Food Bank.

UK fishermen were able to sell any old vessel complete with fishing quota to buyers from any other country and they did.

This was not permitted in other EU countries because they had representatives on the EU Fishing Commission who did their jobs and looked after their compatriots' interests, whereas out representative Nigel Farage only attended one meeting out of forty-one and the UK government did nothing to protect the long term interests of our fishing industry.

“We sold it to them.”

Not quite, the owners of the quota who were the original boat owners sold to the highest bidder, boats of other EU members.
That does not mean that the EU quota holders will have the right to fish in U.K. waters automatically. The goalposts have been moved with Brexit, we will have our own UK quota, existing quotas may or may not be honored, value of quotas may go up or down.
It’s all down to negotiation and I’m not going to predict that, realistically as long at the U.K. retains control of fishing in our waters there shouldn’t be a problem, the alternative to agreement is a fisheries war with half the navy policing fisheries.

“You seem to be missing the point David. It's not showing a passport which will be the issue.“

Sorry, what is the issue

Davidhs. According to a long article on BBC website Fishing for Leave wants to change the rules so all British fishing vessels must be 60% owned 60% British crewed and must land, process, and sell 60% of their catch in Britain^.

However this may prove a little tricky because to quote Any foreign fishing companies that purchased U.K. quota in good faith (many in the 90s) would be very likely to sue if this were taken away from them.

unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/ This explains a lot.

British crewed might be a problem there are plenty of migrant workers on U.K. boats. The U.K. government did not sell quota the boat owners did, best of luck sueing the government in the European Court we won’t recognize it.

There will be foreign boats fishing using U.K. quota, the difference is we can control it, fish stocks, environmental areas, and quota levels for all the fish. It will be a big step forward after the EU fisheries disaster, one of the good outcomes of Brexit, regretfully not a significant monetary advantage.

One other detail that many overlook; we do not have the fish we eat in our waters. Cod, and other deep water fish are not in UK coastal waters, but the fish we do catch such as langoustine are exported to Spain. Another minor detail that the great Fisheries saviour, Farage did not mention.

Around 70% of fish landed in U.K. is exported to Europe and Asia.

Let’s hope the British become more adventurous in their fish eating habits after Brexit.

Gill
I have dug a little deeper onto Scottish fishing quota it is owned by millionaires - trawler and processing factory owners. As modern trawlers cost £10m plus they do need to be pretty well heeled, it seems to me to be logical that trawler owners hold the quota.

Not immediately as building up our decimated fishing industry will take time! After allowing stocks to recover and with proper management the future for our fishermen should look bright. Even the EU admits that the quotas are fundamentally flawed and the environmental issues are a disaster ! Those huge trawlers should be banned from day one before they completely destroy marine life, wreck the sea bed and dredge the sea dry of fish and everything else they plough up. Other counties won't allow them inside their waters and neither should we.

When I was young fish was eaten much more than it is today. Every town had a fishmonger with fresh fish of all sorts. We always had fish at least once a week, herring, mackrel, plaice and lots more. It would be nice to see it all back, if not, well no doubt exporting will be the answer until, perhaps, we get a taste for it again! There are other countries in the world apart from Europe!

The fishing industry is not one that wears a halo- most of the plastic rubbish in the sea is dumped there by fishing boats. The decimation of fish species down to fishing industry, diseases in fish ditto. Could go on. Fishing is a teeny part of our economy. Why Farage and go think it’s worth trashing the rest of the economy to get a few more fish is incomprehensible. Scotland has way more of the industry than England- more reason for independence.

Jabberwok “ There are other countries in the world apart from Europe”
Guess what - Europe isn’t a country

The UK is to get control of fisheries in our Territorial Waters not just coastal waters, it is a very large area and large seagoing trawlers are needed for that.

Europe in indeed not a country, it is much more and acts with one voice so there is no distinction.

I see we’ve caved into the USA over Haiwei.

Our fishing industry accounts for 0.1% of our GDP.

I’m happy to be corrected on this but was of the opinion that fish stocks were plentiful purely because of EU regulations that prevent over fishing. And I thought one of the species that was under threat but is now ok are plaice.