Leavers. Were you absolutely clear that a no deal Brexit would mean job losses?

david the USA is nothing if not aware of its own interests, but I was talking about the Irish question.

calliston I may be wrong but I think vegan is talking about what is deemed acceptable in USA food by its own standards.

Ah! ... The Irish question! It's strange how quiet people are about it.

We had a holiday in the US last November and were particularly disappointed with the food in general, the two best meals we had were an Indian and a Chinese. I do like a good steak but mediocre and expensive, although we weren’t in Texas.
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Sorry, I don’t see the connection between Ireland, The US and Brexit.

The land border will be open, commercial goods will (mostly) be checked, other customs will be done at the ports.

Most of the delicious (best in my view) Welsh lamb goes to France. It is then dressed and sold as French. I read an article about it last year, it was very interesting.

Maybe we’ll get the opportunity to eat more of it ourselves? That would be nice.

Why would the food be mouldy or full of maggots just because it has come from far away?

vegansrock might be exaggerating a little, but US standards for the level of potential contaminents in foodstuffs are much lower than our EU standards.

There is also the fact that the US use pesticides and herbicides, which leave residues in foodstuffs, which are banned in the EU because of the long term danger to health that they pose.

Chlorine is used in the EU on fruit and vegetables

I don't know why people can't understand this. Or are they being deliberately disingenuous.

It isn't the chlorine that is the problem, it's what it is covering up; particularly in US chicken.

The chlorine itself, in the quantities in which it is used, is harmless.

Urmstongran

Most of the delicious (best in my view) Welsh lamb goes to France. It is then dressed and sold as French. I read an article about it last year, it was very interesting.

Maybe we’ll get the opportunity to eat more of it ourselves? That would be nice.

You really are a joker Urmstongran. It must be nice to live on a cloud.

Yes, if chlorine was that harmful, we wouldn't chlorinate our water.
Ours here was especially strong this morning. I must get the filter out again.

I understand but I do wonder about some of the standards of the food currently sold and eaten in the UK. Can we be absolutely sure of its provenance?

Not everyone, in fact most people, can afford organically produced food from local farm shops.

A ready meal from a reputable supermarket may contain, for example, chicken from overseas, outside the EU.

I am concerned about hormones in beef.

Davidhs

Sorry, I don’t see the connection between Ireland, The US and Brexit.

The land border will be open, commercial goods will (mostly) be checked, other customs will be done at the ports.

Brexit will separate Northern Ireland from the mainland, despite the promises of no customs checks between NI and the UK.

The UK currently imports a huge amount of beef from the Republic. If there's no deal, we'll have to pay tariffs, while tariffs with the US could favour American beef.

It's more complicated than that, but I'm pushed for time.

Urmstongran I can see the sheep on my way to the farm shops but NZ lamb is cheaper here in the supermarket!

It puts me off eating lamb anyway.

Why are you all ganging up on one poster who is as entitled to express her views as anyone else without being ridiculed?

Perhaps not everyone read the thread started by GNHQ recently?

I'm concerned about High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), which is strictly limited in the EU, but Americans stuff into their manufactured foodstuffs. It's implicated in the obesity/diabetes epidemic in the US.

I'm actually even more concerned about the selling off of the NHS than I am about food.

The US have lower food And animal welfare standards than the EU So ours would have to be lower. The EU would then not buy any of our stuff. We could buy theirs if course, at a higher price. It’s makes so much sense!

I understand but I do wonder about some of the standards of the food currently sold and eaten in the UK. Can we be absolutely sure of its provenance?

If we have imported anything from outside the EU it has to conform to EU standards, that is a condition of any EU - third country trade deal. So that ready meal will be absolutely at the same standard as anything sourced from within the EU.

This is one of the many sticking points the UK is putting up because our Brexitty government wants to lower standards.

Which really makes me very angry when I think of 3 or 4 years ago when all the Leavers were assuring us that our standards were really much better than the EU's and we weren't going to lose any of that...

It should make the Leave voters angry, too, but it doesn't seem to have penetrated yet.

BTW. I think that there were plans in the last lot of 'no deal' planning for the excess lambs to be incarcerated, not sold off cheaply. It's cheaper to incarcerate than to get them onto the market...

Brexit is the biggest and most absurd waste of money in history, splurging billions of pounds to make Britain poorer.

The £700million splashed on Brexit border bureaucracy, with the Government secretly buying a patch of Kent to check lorries, is a bill that’s rapidly mounting.

And the expensive campaign preparing for a New Year’s Eve no-deal crash out of Europe reinforces how Boris Johnson didn’t 'Get Brexit Done' when he partied in Downing Street at the end of January.

What the cynical liar did do, when toasting himself with English sparkling wine and celebrating his Vote Lie Government’s vandalism, was let Covid rip.

The link between Brexit deceit and negligence over the spread of coronavirus becomes clearer every day.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/kevin-maguire-brexit-biggest-most-22344268

I bet you’re loving it really varian ? its the best soap box you’ve been able to climb on for years! The gift that just keeps on giving really.

OMG! 'incarcerated' lamb

I meant incinerated

Growstuff you are so right about the high fructose corn syrup which seems to be in everything ranging from yogurt to bread and even crackers for cheese. Everything it’s in tastes so sweet and yuck! When we were on holiday in Florida we had to go to a store that sold English style unsweetened bread rolls called Kaiser buns for some reason. No surprise there are so many obese people with diabetes etc in US.

Nobody's "loving it" UG, except perhaps the vultures of disaster capitalism and those who want to see our country fail.

Growstuff
There are customs checks now when you return to the mainland, they can check passports and inspect vehicles, it will be an extension of that just like Dover or Calais it’s not going to restrict anyone’s freedom if you have a UK passport. Commercial goods will go through customs checks, legitimate goods with a place of origin in NI will be declared separately to those from the South. Parts or ingredients will also need to be declared with place of origin for them as well. All of this is in the Withdrawl Agreement so it’s no surprise to anyone.
Yes, it’s going be a big paper chase.

Traceability is a big thing for the EU goods that come from untraceable sources will simply be rejected so exporters are going to need to be compliant on that.

That’s how it works on the EU / Swiss border they are EFTA members and obey the rules. We will have different rules to stick to, maybe WTO but there will be rules.

Beef, because of common interest. Ireland exports a lot of beef to us, we export a lot of lamb to the EU. Special arrangement will be made in that case, Ireland will be pushing hard for that it is very important to them.

Beef, because of common interest. Ireland exports a lot of beef to us, we export a lot of lamb to the EU. Special arrangement will be made in that case, Ireland will be pushing hard for that it is very important to them.

That won't apply if we end up with no deal, David. Which is the way we are going. The government is even looking to wriggle out of the Withdrawal Agreement now.

Or should I say, the government is looking to breach an international treaty agreed and signed by both parties.

MaizieD

^Beef, because of common interest. Ireland exports a lot of beef to us, we export a lot of lamb to the EU. Special arrangement will be made in that case, Ireland will be pushing hard for that it is very important to them.^

That won't apply if we end up with no deal, David. Which is the way we are going. The government is even looking to wriggle out of the Withdrawal Agreement now.

David I have heard so many times that X, Y or Z will happen. People just assume it will because nobody with half a brain would think it wouldn't. The trouble is that so many assumptions have proved to be unfounded. I will believe some kind of agreement with Ireland when I see it. Until then, I don't expect anything.

I cannot see any good from closer trade ties with the US.

BTW If we have any NI GNers with pets, don't forget you'll need a pet passport to bring it to the mainland after Brexit.