Seems the jihadi bride Shamima Begum might be coming back to stand trial in the U.K.

Yes I feel the same biba.

Nina at 15 I certainly knew right from wrong, going along with terrorists and not minding seeing heads in a bucket is not normal. At 15 she knew what she was doing, certainly did when interviewed later after having several children and living with the butchers. So no don’t have her back, once they go that’s it, I really don’t mind what happens to her I’m more upset about good and decent people butchered in cold blood. We all have a choice in life, yes we make mistakes, but that sort of error, she is just sorry the way things turned out,

Growstuff, she'll no doubt have an army of supporters here including Sadiq Khan who has already used his voice over her non-deportation once she lands in this country. Lost appeal or not. Wait for the backlash.
Watch this space !

More 'uman rights marches/protests !

She was a child and she was groomed. But what to do now?

I hear and applaud the compassion lobby; but I also totally mistrust those who got her into this situation in the first place. I suspect that, were she to regain her British citizenship, there would be unscrupulous people ready to pounce and drag her back to how she was - a woman so brain-washed that she was prepared to allow gross terrorist actions to wash by her.

This young woman will undoubtedly be traumatised by her life experiences so far; and therefore vulnerable to further manipulation. How can we prevent this, I wonder?

But......she was a British citizen and is entitled to appeal the withdrawal of her citizenship. If this necessitates her return to UK then I cannot see that the court could have decided otherwise.

To those who keep harping on about racism please drop it. Those poor people being murdered by this girls’ husband and cohorts were muslims in the main and I couldn’t sleep at times after hearing of the unimaginable suffering they were enduring at the hands of Isis. Her colour or religion don’t enter into it. As someone posted upthread some people are evil. If she returns she will stay and then what? It gives a green light to the rest to return.

Personally, I’m far more concerned that the people of this country can go about their business without being blown up or lose limbs than I could even pretend to be about Ms Begum.

I can't imagine what it must be like to be so unswerving in my belief that I am right as those who feel able to pronounce that a complete stranger 'knew what she was doing'. How can anyone possibly know that about someone else?

At best, it might be possible to speak for oneself on something like that, but even then, I suspect that the naivety and bravado of youth would make it difficult to be sure.

Then where should we send the murderer of Jo cox.

biba70

I truly do not know how to reply to last 2 posts. She was 15 - try and imagine yourself, your children and grandchildren at 15. I find some of the comments here on GN truly disturbing- with racism and bile just below, and often above, the surface.

We don't have to try to imagine ourselves at fifteen! We were fifteen and although it was very many years ago, I still remember.
Most of the posters on here have children who were fifteen, although our grandchildren may not be yet.

Did we think like that?
No.
I cannot imagine there are any on here or their families who would be unfazed by the atrocities she witnessed and in fact helped with.

I think the views would vary just as much about the white Jack Letts.

accepted Urmstongran.

It is a very difficult issue and as your last post demonstrates, it will open the floodgates, and the implications of that doens't bear thinking about. So I think care will have to be taken in the decision.
It's tempting to respond very emotionally, and I do think we "bend over backwards" to accommodate certain people as someone said further back.
But legally she is entitled to appeal. And although nothing can condone the evil acts of terrorists, and first sympathy goes to the victims of course, her age and circumstances must be considered.
I do feel though that we can't just release people back into society who are potentially very dangerous.
I wonder is videolink a possibility. Many cases are conducted at court by videolink. And discussions with legal reps etc could maybe be done this way.

trisher

What we need is a new colony Galaxy where we can dump all our undesirables. Pity about Australia wasn't it?

They won't let anyone in there with a criminal record!

As for opening the floodgates - it is estimated that 400 British jihadis have already returned here so far.

Then where should we send the murderer of Jo cox

Why should we send him anywhere? He committed murder here. Other terrorists that have carried out such acts here are in prison here. This person left this country to join a murderous cult intent on destroying anyone standing in the way of their intent to take us all back to the dark ages. There’s no comparison.

He is British. She is British. They are both our problem.

As far as I’m concerned she gave her citizenship up when she left but she’ll be back.

are you living on a different planet? she`s a terrorist fhs!

tickingbird

As far as I’m concerned she gave her citizenship up when she left but she’ll be back.

But you don't make laws.

boodymum67

are you living on a different planet? she`s a terrorist fhs!

She's an alleged terrorist.

EllanVannin

Growstuff, she'll no doubt have an army of supporters here including Sadiq Khan who has already used his voice over her non-deportation once she lands in this country. Lost appeal or not. Wait for the backlash.
Watch this space !

George Osborne has spoken against her losing her British citizenship. Has he become a "leftie" too? Or is he concerned about the law, as I am.

But you don't make laws

You’d do well to remember that neither do you, thank heavens.

She's an alleged terrorist.

Correct. All we do know for certain, is that she supported and enabled terrorism. It has yet to be proven as to whether she was a member of the ISIS "morality police", and also tried to recruit other young women to join the jihadist group. She was allowed to carry a Kalashnikov rifle and earned a reputation as a strict enforcer of ISIL's laws, such as dress codes for women, and whether this constituted war crimes.

It's interesting that Javid's decision to strip her of her citizenship was criticised by Begum's immediate family members, who sought to stop it through legal methods, but her brother-in-law Muhammad Rahman urged the public to support the government decision. And on 24 February, her father Ahmed Ali said, "If she at least admitted she made a mistake then I would feel sorry for her and other people would feel sorry for her, but she does not accept her wrong."

So what about all the others who did the same, many of whom have returned?
They were older and probably less naive but are living back in the UK.

Begum is more high profile simply because she was only 15 when she left. I am not saying that she is not possibly still dangerous but is she more dangerous than the hundreds of other returnees? They have not lost their citizenship.

These monsters who prey on the young and vulnerable and
radicalise them are beyond despicable. They ruin lives.

The problem is Begum has been radicalised and as far as we know still is.

My GD had friends who attended the concert in Manchester a few years ago where one of these radicalised people blew up and killed 22 people some of them only children.

Some of those who survived have never got over the attack.

I don't think I for one can trust anyone who has been radicalised.

it would appear from what we know that she is a terrorist BUT do we all know the facts? that is the purpose of having a trial to decide what is the correct outcome. As people have said she was born in the UK and should face UK law.

tickingbird

*But you don't make laws*

You’d do well to remember that neither do you, thank heavens.

What's that supposed to mean?

You seem to think your opinion about Begum's guilt is important. It isn't. My opinion isn't important either.

That's why the law must be upheld. Justice is blind. It is impartial and objective, which many of the comments on this thread aren't.