Seems the jihadi bride Shamima Begum might be coming back to stand trial in the U.K.

Some of you are deliberately missing the point I am making!

Oh well I am sure others on this debate will know exactly what I mean.

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I agree with easybee.
Also i would worry that she would re-offend.
Can you un-brain wash someone? i think not as they can be very manipulative.
This will open the flood gates for all the mungrel terrorists to come back.
This country`s polocies for terrorists needs a kick up the arse.

So where should the UK dump them? Australia stopped taking our misfits years ago.

JenniferEccles, you suggest that Eloethan missed the point you were making. In contract, I think you missed the points Eloethan was making. British people whose ancestors came here to work at the request of our government are British. Your post suggests that anyone with an immigrant background should be eternally grateful to this country for providing their children and grandchildren with an education.

Elothean at 01.34 sets out very clearly and concisely why this country citizens whose ancestors were born in what used to be British colonies. Slightly off topic but I hope the discussions on Shamina Begum and BLM ensure that some white British people begin to understand our own history.

Eloethan I hadn't realised that her mother had died. That is sad. Then her father moved back in Bangladesh and has a new family, doesn't he? I somehow thought he had left her with her mother.

Soon after that she left for Syria. What happened to her then does explain why she did that, a reaction to grief and then abandonment.

JenniferEccles

Some of you are deliberately missing the point I am making!

Oh well I am sure others on this debate will know exactly what I mean.

So what point are you making? It seemed very clear to me.

Who gets to decide that some people belong in this country. Perhaps we should have a referendum. I sat behind two white British men on a train last year, they were drinking, littering, discussing their time in prison, and went on to mock the conductors accent (english was not his first language, and he was black). So my vote would be that those two men are shipped off somewhere and the immigrant stays. After all if we are barring people because of crimes why not.

Ellianne

Has it been mentioned her mother died of cancer in the January, her father remarried in the September and she left in the December? It must have been hard for her to cope with these life changes and it is likely she was searching for something she had lost. Those who groomed her would have been clever enough to play on this.

And Ellianne, thank you. I knew her father had left and remarried.

Fifteen is an impressionable age and yes, she was vulnerable having lost her mother and probably feeling the one man she could trust had abandoned them.

Galaxy Let's introduce kangaroo courts and lynching! Let's have the kind of purity documents Nazi Germany introduced! Let's get some advice from China on dealing with people we don't like, such as the Uighurs!

I have been deluded all my life. I thought the UK had a reputation for being a civilised country with respect for the law as paramount, but I was wrong.

Along with many others I agree with Lemongrove - thank you for putting it so clearly. If we care about justice surely its clear that she couldn't instruct her lawyer from a refugee camp, or make her case in a UK court from there. She is entitled to justice.

Galaxy I don't want to go off topic here, but your comment aroused a thought in my mind. Is Begum's situation akin to those French women during WW2 who went off with Nazi soldiers? Collaborators are collaborators whatever, be it for ideological reasons or for naïve fantasies. It could be said these women/girls betrayed the country of their birth too but after the war they weren't stripped of their nationality.

I was thinking of the religious aspect. It used to be common for Catholic girls around the age of 15 to have religious experiences and to ask to join convents and become nuns. An Islamic state with strict rules might have had a similar attraction for a young girl struggling to find a place in a permissive western society.

I see what you are saying Ellianne, the main focus for me is her age at the time. She was a child and I think she was groomed.
It's why we have the prevent programme because those working in the field know that children are targeted.

As applegran said she is entitled to justice.
I didn't realise what a hard time she had that year. Surely must have had an effect on her.

Oh annepl I didn't realise what a hard time she had that year ... not as much as an ‘effect’ the victims and their families from the organisation she chose to go out and support though!

They had no choices to make. Harder, much harder, for them.

She was just 15 when she left with her two friends who have been killed. I see no reason why she can't come back to appeal against losing her citizenship, she will be arrested as soon as she sets foot on land so won't cause a threat. For goodness sake she was just 15 and we all know what many 15 year olds are like, they rebel but later when they have matured they change. so we should give her a chance.

Has'nt her father any responsibility for her? I do not know very much about the culture of Moslems but understood that an unmarried woman had to live under the protection of either her father, or her brother, anything less would be perceived as bringing shame on the family name.

what do you mean by 'responsibility' - yes, he does- I'd say like any father, Christian, agnostic, or otherwise.

But in a traditional Muslim context, yes, you are right (same for a Jewish one, or many Christian ones too) ... so it is wonderful that he is able to get over those traditions to wish to pardon his daughter and have her back in the fold - despite the effect it will have for him in his community, no?

If her father resides in Pakistan, can he not make an application for her to live there with him, ensuring that he would be her guardian? Apart from a sister in the UK, I don't know if she has any other family members here to support her?

I think many of the objections to her returning to appear at her appeal in person is that once she sets foot on UK soil it will be impossible to remove her.

IF she stands trial for any crime (and I think it is a big if) then once she has served any sentence she will be free to move around the country. I have asked, several times, would you be happy for her to wander around a shopping centre frequented by you, your children and your grandchildren? How about if she cultivated a friendship with your 13/14/15 year old grandchildren?

I strongly suspect Pakistan wouldn’t want her but as her father lives there that is the obvious solution.

Let him take some responsibility for his daughter if a bit late in the day.

Anywhere but here.

Has any one given thought to this young woman's future if !/when! she returns to the country of her birth.
Her past actions cannot be undone.So what can she expect.?Her mother having died. father remarried left the country .She was prepared at the age of fifteen to start a new life clearly too young /idealistic to even think what if.?

I have asked a similar question Oldeoman but had no reply.

Let's send her to Pakistan where they have one of the biggest terrorist threats in the world. Then if she really is a threat she will be able to reconnect with Isis and become active again. In fact she may be able to infiltrate this country and return to plant bombs anyway. How on earth does sending her to that country keep anyone safe?

It's not a case of whose responsibility is she, it's more whose problem is she. This case has to be handled so carefully for the precedent it sets and also for the potential dangers it poses. I'm pleased, whatever differing opinions we have, the sizemic implications are being thrashed out.
It's her sense of entitlement that concerns me, I would rather see remorse but no one that fanatical ever shows themselves capable of this.

There are thousands of people I am not that keen on living next to. I didnt want to be anywhere near those men on the train, can I deport them?