Amendment on sale of NHS to foreign powers voted down

JenniferEccles Oh dear. Is this daft rumour still doing the rounds?

Does anyone honestly still believe that the wicked Tories are selling the NHS to Donald Trump?

I thought this stupid rumour had long since been put to bed.

Gagajo I responded to the above ridiculous post, I was just stating plain facts, I also know where the money went and am devastated by the ordinary people who were convinced by the arguement that if they bought a few shares in any of these sell offs they would be able to, somehow, make their futures more secure. It is the aim of Tories to fake 'include' the general population in their schemes, as if 'we are all in this together' but the truth will elude those of the 'I'm alright Jack' brigade, as they prefer maggie thatcher's edict 'there is no such thing as society'. Corruption indeed, 'twas ever thus with the tories.

growstuff: Covid-19 has been good for the NHS in the medium term because it's killed off so many elderly people. These are the people who are the greatest users of the NHS in their final years, so the NHS will make savings on treating them. I have long thought this. Cummings even alluded to it in his comment about pensioners dying.

chewbacca: Its 3 days now since I emailed my MP about the Amendment and I've not even received an acknowledgement. Cummings is on tape from LONG before the election saying Tory mps didn't want the NHS. This isn't news. It was there in the public domain. Not focused on by the right wing leaning media admittedly, but available for anyone to see. What response to that CAN your MP make? It was intended policy long before the election despite the lies to the contrary.

diathena: Tories sold off : British Aerospace, Cable & Wireless Jaguar, British, British Petroleum, British Airways, British Telecom, Britoil, Rolls Royce, Water & Electricity, British Coal, Powergen, National Rail, Royal Mail, Probation Services For me it isn't even just that they sold it off, it is the fact that the profits made their way into the pockets of the Tories and their friends. Money from public services. Total corruption.

JenniferEccles I don't know if you watched any of the series of Hospital.

It showed how vital managers were within hospitals. They don't just sit at their desks bossing people about. They have to respond quickly to very difficult situations where resources are extremely tight. It is too easy to blame managers and administrative staff but these people are needed - otherwise professional health staff waste their time trying to do things that aren't their job and which take up their valuable time.

It was a real Grand Old Man of the tory party, varian. Harold Macmillan.

varian those plastic spoons will eventually break and the tories will feel justified in calling the general populace 'savages' for eating what little food there is with their hands.

Wasn't it the distinguished old Tory Rab Butler who was so shocked at the beginning of privatisation under Thatcher that he called "selling off the family silver"?

Since then we have sold off all of the family silver, and the EPNS and the stainless steel cutlery so eventually all we'll have left are the plastic spoons.

sorry the British on its own should have been followed by Steel and I missed British gas.

Tories sold off : British Aerospace, Cable & Wireless Jaguar, British, British Petroleum, British Airways, British Telecom, Britoil, Rolls Royce, Water & Electricity, British Coal, Powergen, National Rail, Royal Mail, Probation Services - although planning to renationalise at the end of 2020, as the privatisation has been deemed to have put members of the public at risk -Large sectors of Education and The NHS. Privatisation of Britains Police Service is already already underway selling to G4S - a company that is criticised worldwide. I've stopped looking now as it is making me sick to my stomach. All those with the mantra Brexit will make Britain great again, it can't be made GREAT AGAIN because the Tories SOLD IT, and will continue to sell it as long as there is anything left.

Thanks for the info. I'll ask Boots. I've been having flu jabs ever since they were introduced at the GP practice. I don't know why they sent me a text with a date, if that session was booked up within hours, as was the next one. They must know how many flu jabs they've administered in the past and be able to plan enough sessions for the most vulnerable people, then calculate how many further sessions will be needed.

growstuff

From the BBC website:

"It wants to ensure the highest risk patients are at the front of the queue when the immunisation programme starts in September."

Hmm!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53515078

I have my flu jab at Boots Chemists, I have had an email asking if I want to use them this year, have registered and awaiting appointment.

(No charge as I am on the vulnerable list)

From the BBC website:

"It wants to ensure the highest risk patients are at the front of the queue when the immunisation programme starts in September."

Hmm!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53515078

Actually I know the answer to my rhetorical question. It makes the government look good without actually having to do anything.

JenniferEccles

Isn’t it too early for the flu jab growstuff ?

I did read about plans this year to offer it to those of 55 and over.
That will mean a lot more will need to be produced.

Our surgery doesn’t offer the vaccine until late September at the earliest.

I received a text asking me to make an appointment for the 19 September, saying it was essential because I'm high risk and to take pressure off the NHS.

I phoned the day I received the text and was told the sessions are booked up for all the ones which have been organised.

What's the point of saying they're going to be available for so many people, if people (especially those at high risk) can't get them?

Who knows, but I think it is widely accepted that it can’t continue much longer in it’s current form I agree, JE, and changes need to be made, perhaps the administration is too top heavy, perhaps there are abuses, but these factors are not an excuse or reason to start the gradual, slow dismantling of available services. I think your comments about mental health support being available to anyone who thinks they have a problem is rather harsh, and also, as anyone in that position will tell you, myself included, untrue.

Don’t forget your mask MaizieD !

100% compliance in Waitrose this morning!

P.S JE. Have another look at my post about the 'economics' of it all. It's not something I'm making up off the top of my head. It's come from economists...

Isn’t it too early for the flu jab growstuff ?

I did read about plans this year to offer it to those of 55 and over.
That will mean a lot more will need to be produced.

Our surgery doesn’t offer the vaccine until late September at the earliest.

If there is just ONE thing worth finding properly it's health.

Oh, blimey, JE. Where to start?

I'm sure others can deal with all that effectively. I'm out shopping...

Maizie Rather than concentrating on a single issue such as the PPE scandal (which people will refute), I think it's more productive to look at what's been happening over the last few years.

It was just an example of how inefficient privatisation can be; one that has had very serious consequences and which is current.

I agree that concentrating on just one aspect is not the whole story. What is interesting is that the creeping privatisation and withdrawal of services has been played on to great effect to blame 'foreigners' for overwhelming the NHS...

Doesn’t everyone agree though that the NHS does need a massive overhaul?

Successive governments have claimed to have put billions more into it than the previous one did yet we all know how much it is struggling with demand , which increases year after year.

We have an ageing population, a growing population due mainly to immigration, and pumping yet more billions in doesn’t seem to be the answer.

Are there too many at the top, too many very highly paid managers?
Who knows, but I think it is widely accepted that it can’t continue much longer in it’s current form.

JE you forgot to mention the health tourists during your blaming of everyone but the Tories. Oh, and bogus asylum seekers. Tut tut

And now I can't get a flu jab because the practice is booked up for the foreseeable future, despite sending me a text that it's essential! Gggrrr!

Its 3 days now since I emailed my MP about the Amendment and I've not even received an acknowledgement.

Yes Whitewave I suspect they are.

For example, I need a Vitamin D follow up test, but have had difficulty getting one. I could also do with a Vitamin B12 test. It's not just because of Covid 19 because I've had other blood tests. It's to do with economies.

Somebody I know, who is absolutely loaded, told me without thinking that I could have the tests done privately and cheerfully gave me the contact details of her private GP. They don't think.