NHS-were we clapping or waving goodbye?

lemongrove the amendment had little to do with Corbyn as Paul Holmes states. It was proposed by Caroline Lucas from the Green Party and personally I would choose to believe someone with real standards and beliefs than any Tory MP who simply wants to do deals with Trump. The problem with not protecting things with proper legislation is that it then becomes a matter of conscience what happens when doing deals and there are few Tory MPs with a conscience.

Remember the Boris Bus? This is 'taking back control' - and giving it to Trump instead. Amendments mentioned can always be voted against but the bill itself should have been passed, it is our protection. Shameful

the Tories have received backing from health companies, this is what they demand, there were lies in the election campaign last year and questions sidestepped, 'does trump want the NHS?' the tory press asked, the answer was no because the issue of NHS privatisation was neatly manoeuvred to trump, & not private NHS companies, which is exactly what is happening now

These changes started happening at least 24 years ago. It was the day of a serious operation I was about to endure. The anaesthetist came to introduce himself to me. He looked like the cat who'd got the cream. It was the time the hospitals became responsible for their own expenditure. He told me, as though I should be delighted and honoured, that he was now second in command of the hospital and the surgeon doing my op was now the man in charge. My immediate thought was, this is the start of privatisation, and it made me feel very uneasy. It has been apparent for years that everything the government have privatised has been milked by the governing body to fill their own greedy pockets. This I feel has been the biggest reason for inflation. Bad management and greed. Who pays? We do, all the time.
I am not intelligent, or well educated like most of you are, but seem to have a sixth sense regarding wrong decisions our so called leaders make. They always seem to be passing the buck, so to speak, to make their lives easier, with less responsibility, which enables them to escape blame. Sorry it's long. Rant over.

Shortlegs

Opposition parties tabling amendments to cause trouble. Attached from Paul Holmes MP:

I’ve seen a number of misleading or altogether false statements about yesterday’s Trade Bill vote and I think it’s important to clear things up:

The Trade Bill passing does not mean that substandard food will be flooding into our supermarkets. The Government remains absolutely committed to maintaining the UK’s world leading food standards.

The Trade Bill passing does not mean that the NHS is “for sale” or “on the table” in any future trade agreements. This is a lie that Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party desperately tried to repeat again and again at the last election.

No matter how many times people repeat it, it remains a lie.

The Government has made its commitment to the NHS clear at all stages and repeatedly said that it won’t form part of any new trade deals in future.

The Trade Bill passing does not end Parliamentary scrutiny of trade deals. The checks and balances around negotiating and ratifying new trade deals under the Constitutional Reform & Governance Act 2010 remain in place.

This Trade Bill is a straight-forward but important piece of legislation that allows the UK to continue trade agreements with 20 countries “rolling over” the agreements from our time as a member of the EU. This will be vital for our economy as we end the transition period. It also allows British businesses to access £1.3 trillion of overseas government contracts and gives them protection from unfair trade practices.

Tabling poorly thought out amendments which are not relevant to the purpose of a bill and forcing the Government to vote them down is a standard opposition parliamentary tactic. It’s pure politics and not based on any good-faith desire to improve the law.

I will continue to support efforts to open up new trade and export opportunities for British business so that we can make the most of our global position.

Thanks for posting this ...it’s time for those who relentlessly fire away at anything they see ( and will continue to do for the next four years on here) to be called out!

Good post shortlegs

Little bits of the NHS have already been privatized by the back door. You can check how your local MP voted. I checked and our MP did not vote (his wife used to be Health Minister in the past!), and another local MP voted against!

Opposition parties tabling amendments to cause trouble. Attached from Paul Holmes MP:

I’ve seen a number of misleading or altogether false statements about yesterday’s Trade Bill vote and I think it’s important to clear things up:

The Trade Bill passing does not mean that substandard food will be flooding into our supermarkets. The Government remains absolutely committed to maintaining the UK’s world leading food standards.

The Trade Bill passing does not mean that the NHS is “for sale” or “on the table” in any future trade agreements. This is a lie that Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party desperately tried to repeat again and again at the last election.

No matter how many times people repeat it, it remains a lie.

The Government has made its commitment to the NHS clear at all stages and repeatedly said that it won’t form part of any new trade deals in future.

The Trade Bill passing does not end Parliamentary scrutiny of trade deals. The checks and balances around negotiating and ratifying new trade deals under the Constitutional Reform & Governance Act 2010 remain in place.

This Trade Bill is a straight-forward but important piece of legislation that allows the UK to continue trade agreements with 20 countries “rolling over” the agreements from our time as a member of the EU. This will be vital for our economy as we end the transition period. It also allows British businesses to access £1.3 trillion of overseas government contracts and gives them protection from unfair trade practices.

Tabling poorly thought out amendments which are not relevant to the purpose of a bill and forcing the Government to vote them down is a standard opposition parliamentary tactic. It’s pure politics and not based on any good-faith desire to improve the law.

I will continue to support efforts to open up new trade and export opportunities for British business so that we can make the most of our global position.

" Johnson has promised the NHS would not be part of a Deal."

Why would anyone ever believe a word he says biba? He is a proven liar.

growstuff: I knew I’d got the wrong word but the right one wouldn’t appear in my brain!

I have just written the strongest of letters to our Conservative MP who voted against the amendment. I would hope thousands will do the same.

Project fear they said - Johnson has promised the NHS would not be part of a Deal. Trump said 'jump' and he 'jumped' - so much for wanting to rid ourselves of being ruled by foreign politicians.

The media have been very quiet about this as well.

And nobody is the slightest bit bothered WwMk2, it makes me so angry. Anyone like to come forward and defend the indefensible? Anyone?

So all amendments were voted down by the Tories.

no protection for the NHS

no protection for food standards

no parliamentary scrutiny of trade deals

It is a living nightmare

MayBee70

They used the NHS to win the EU referendum. I don’t know how some of them can sleep at night. Then again some have been given knighthoods haven’t they (eg Gisella Stuart).

A peerage not a knighthood.

Yes, I can remember before the last election, Conservative voters assuring us Labour supporters that the NHS would be safe whoever won the election.

They used the NHS to win the EU referendum. I don’t know how some of them can sleep at night. Then again some have been given knighthoods haven’t they (eg Gisella Stuart).

And answer came there none.....

Yes well trisher we 'obsessed lefties' are talking to ourselves this morning I fear, although I expect a few Tory voters will be along later to tell us that if only the NHS didn't treat drunks/drug addicts/illegal immigrants/health tourists everything would be fine. It was also pointed out this morning that the much hailed public sector payrise does not in fact cover the below inflation pay rises of the past few years, and that many staff are, in real terms, worse off than they were 8 years ago. But hey, let's not let a few facts get in the way of governing eh?

I can' remember how many times I have been told on GN that the Conservatives really do care about the NHS and that I was an obsessed leftie not trusting them to look after it. Well I may be obsessed but that doesn't make me wrong.

ladymuck

We need to encourage more people to join the health sector. Forget cheap foreign labour, we have plenty of our own people available. We just need to make the profession more attractive to them. Higher wages, better working conditions will act as an incentive.
The government should be concentrating on that instead of looking for ways to save money.

To do that, the country needs to make a massive investment in training. So where's the money to do that?

I wouldn't expect anything else from the Tories. Why people continue to vote for them (against their own interests) I will never know!

MaizieD

No pay rise for NHS workers or junior doctors, either.

NO pay rises for those because nurses had a three year pay deal, which ends next April, and junior doctors have a 4 year deal agreed last year. Which seems 'sort of' fair, but as the rises for other public sector workers are being trumpeted as 'above inflation', how do the existing 'deals' compare?

No new money for these 'generous' pay rises though, it has to come out of, already cut to the bone, existing budgets.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53478404

There's your reason. Teachers and doctors have separate pay review bodies, which have reported. The government has accepted the recommendations, but there's no "new money".

What are they thinking of?

Complete destruction of our public services, I think. Look at the USA and despair.

It's all part of Cummings 'throw it all up in the air and see where it lands' plan.

No pay rise for NHS workers or junior doctors, either.

NO pay rises for those because nurses had a three year pay deal, which ends next April, and junior doctors have a 4 year deal agreed last year. Which seems 'sort of' fair, but as the rises for other public sector workers are being trumpeted as 'above inflation', how do the existing 'deals' compare?

No new money for these 'generous' pay rises though, it has to come out of, already cut to the bone, existing budgets.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53478404