A group has been created with the aim of removing the government

We all know that the Labour Party has been bankrolled by the unions and the Tory party has been bankrolled by big business and corrupt billionaires.

Would it not be better to have our political parties funded in a different way?

Legislation has never changed poor attitudes. It's the other way round. Legislation is the result of changes brought about societal pressures.

I believe you are deluded, if you think that legislation can ever be adequate to combat discrimination (or any other injustice for that matter). History has told us time and time again that it isn't. What it does is give a convenient excuse to those who don't want change and are prepared to turn a blind eye.

PS. I should have added that's the way things happen in a democracy. Autocracies, of course, will attempt to bring about change by imposing legislation.

growstuff

Legislation has never changed poor attitudes. It's the other way round. Legislation is the result of changes brought about societal pressures.

I believe you are deluded, if you think that legislation can ever be adequate to combat discrimination (or any other injustice for that matter). History has told us time and time again that it isn't. What it does is give a convenient excuse to those who don't want change and are prepared to turn a blind eye.

growstuff I have already asked you in this thread and I will ask others if you have a solution to combatting discrimination and bigotry in all its forms other than through legislation then please place that solution into this thread so we can all be advised and judge upon it.??????????

I wait with bated breath for such an ultimate solution. ?

varian

We all know that the Labour Party has been bankrolled by the unions and the Tory party has been bankrolled by big business and corrupt billionaires.

Would it not be better to have our political parties funded in a different way?

The Labour Party is part of the Broader Labour Movement and therefore funded in reality from within the movement to which it is a part of

Also in regard to funding the British people will never agree to taxation for the funding of political parties.

Just more pie in the sky by dreamers in the Lib Dems.

We have given you example after example grandad, you are just not listening.

Galaxy

We have given you example after example grandad, you are just not listening.

That's why my participation would be a waste of my time.

For example as ridiculous as it may seem eastenders and brookside did more to move forward the issue of gay rights in terms of public attitudes than individuals use of the equality act.

Galaxy please point me in the direction of those examples of solutions to discrimination and bigotry outside of the use of legislation in this thread or any thread. Just copy and paste if it is easier.

I still wait with bated breath for those ultimate solutions???????????

Galaxy

For example as ridiculous as it may seem eastenders and brookside did more to move forward the issue of gay rights in terms of public attitudes than individuals use of the equality act.

Galaxy the issue of gay rights was being addressed in legislation several years before the Equality act came into being.

As for Eastenders and Brookside having any influence on public opinion I very much doubt that.

However, even if those programs did it still took legislation to bring about the legalisation of same gender sex.

Grandad1943 Perhaps your faith in legislation will be tested when you read about what is actually happening in the work place. We imagined when we obtained the right for women to take maternity leave they would be protected. Actually things are now getting worse. Women are losing their jobs in the late stages of pregnancy or just after they have given birth, they then have 3 months to appeal, not surprisingly most don't. There is a campaign to extend the period to 6 months. pregnantthenscrewed.com/extending-the-3-month-time-limit/
Try reading some of the stories of how women are being discriminated against and then consider how legislation is protecting them.

trisher

Grandad1943 Perhaps your faith in legislation will be tested when you read about what is actually happening in the work place. We imagined when we obtained the right for women to take maternity leave they would be protected. Actually things are now getting worse. Women are losing their jobs in the late stages of pregnancy or just after they have given birth, they then have 3 months to appeal, not surprisingly most don't. There is a campaign to extend the period to 6 months. pregnantthenscrewed.com/extending-the-3-month-time-limit/
Try reading some of the stories of how women are being discriminated against and then consider how legislation is protecting them.

Well, it is for those women to use the legislation provided to contest the actions of their employers by way of the bodies I outlined earlier in this thread.

I am still waiting for you growstuff or others to inform me how else the problems of those women and others subjected to discrimination in all forms and in various situations can be resolved without them implementing the equality legislation.

You mean same sex not gender. The fact that same sex intercourse was made legal did not change the discrimination faced by gay people. It meant they wouldn't get arrested for having sex which is always a bonus. You may wish to talk to people in the gay community about what helped alter discrimination against them, they would cite many aspects of popular culture including those programmes, but I am sure you would tell them they were wrong in their views.

In addition to my above post, the Employment Rights Act states that as long as an employee or a person representing the employee launches an appeal against any dismissal or safety breach by their employer within three months of the incident or action taking place, the hearing(s) must be held over until the person is medically fit to attend any hearings called in regard to the incident or dismissal.

Therefore any employee injured in a workplace accident can take action against their employer in regard to the injuries sustained and then have the hearings called to investigate the incident suspended until such a time as the employee is medically fit to attend.

The same would apply should any woman be unable to attend a dismissal appeal hearing due to childbirth.

You're going to have a long wait Grandad. There is no such thing has having a "discussion" with you.

It's like having a discussion with a computer algorithm with the same pre-programmed responses produced.

growstuff

You're going to have a long wait Grandad. There is no such thing has having a "discussion" with you.

Well growstuff if you had some reasonable arguments to put forward rather than just continually making personal comments in regard to other forum members perhaps there would be a debate to be had.

It's not just growstuff trying to expla

It's not just growstuff trying to explain this though is it? For example if there was a thread about the pros and cons of a royal family, and I continually posted a definition of the royal family, and listed its members, it wouldn't actually move the debate forward. That's what this is like.

Galaxy

You mean same sex not gender. The fact that same sex intercourse was made legal did not change the discrimination faced by gay people. It meant they wouldn't get arrested for having sex which is always a bonus. You may wish to talk to people in the gay community about what helped alter discrimination against them, they would cite many aspects of popular culture including those programmes, but I am sure you would tell them they were wrong in their views.

Galaxy the programs that your site can be good in gaining acceptance of legislation after it has been enacted. However, such programs could never fight for the enabling of such legislation for such acted roles would have been illegal in itself prior to such legislation coming about.

As I recall there were many news discussion programs and documentaries in regard to homosexuality as it was addressed as prior to the legislation on such being enacted.

I will say again however, I am still waiting to hear from anyone how the problems of women and others subjected to discrimination in all forms and in various situations can be resolved without them implementing the equality legislation or such statutes as the Employment Rights Act.

It seems I wait in vain??????

I will say again however, I am still waiting to hear from anyone how the problems of women and others subjected to discrimination in all forms and in various situations can be resolved without them implementing the equality legislation or such statutes as the Employment Rights Act.

When it comes to discrimination against women, how about all men simply acknowledging that women are their equal and deserve equal treatment? Then there’d be no need to resort to law and the world would be a better place.

Galaxy

It's not just growstuff trying to explain this though is it? For example if there was a thread about the pros and cons of a royal family, and I continually posted a definition of the royal family, and listed its members, it wouldn't actually move the debate forward. That's what this is like.

Well if someone put forward a reasonable counter argument as to why the definition of the royal family was inaccurate perhaps a reasonable debate could be then brought about. ?

SueDonim in regard to your post @ 22:40 today, I have always acknowledged that Women are equal to men and should be treated in regard as such.

However, not all men are the same in their views and attitudes just as women are not all the same in the views and attitudes they hold.

The above is the reason our society has a legal framework that ensures it remains as a civilised society, and that framework is there for all to use irrespective of gender and the problems they face.

A civilised society where two women a week are killed by their male partners. A civilised society where 1 in 5 women have experienced sexual assault, a civilised society where the majority of women have experienced sexual harassment, a civilised society where in the view of the victims commissioner rape has been decriminalised. It's going well for women this civilised society.

Galaxy

A civilised society where two women a week are killed by their male partners. A civilised society where 1 in 5 women have experienced sexual assault, a civilised society where the majority of women have experienced sexual harassment, a civilised society where in the view of the victims commissioner rape has been decriminalised. It's going well for women this civilised society.

And what is your answer to all the above then Galaxy if not by way of legislation.???????

I am still waiting for that reply.