A group has been created with the aim of removing the government

Legislation has utterly failed women in terms of rape for example, there are endless solutions that I think would help, education on consent from an early age, education for jurors and society at large about rape myths, a serious look at the way porn is affecting people, etc etc.

Galaxy

Legislation has utterly failed women in terms of rape for example, there are endless solutions that I think would help, education on consent from an early age, education for jurors and society at large about rape myths, a serious look at the way porn is affecting people, etc etc.

Oh, I jurors should be educated, or to put that another way, they should be instructed as to what they must think.

Also, in case no one has informed you Galaxy, porn is viewed as much by women in these times as is by men, as several threads in regard to the subject on this forum have so well demonstrated.

Galaxy said how much porn is affecting “people”

Lucca

Galaxy said how much porn is affecting “people”

Yes, I understood that. However, pornography can affect peoples attitudes in both genders.

Galaxy appears to be linking possible detrimental effects of viewing porn to men in bringing about rape.

Whether Galaxy is advising that men should not watch porn because of its possible detrimental effect on their attitudes to women and sex, while it is perfectly alright for women to watch porn as it could not possibly affect their attitudes to men and sex.

That it would seem is unclear in the Galaxy post.

Grandad1943

Lucca

Galaxy said how much porn is affecting “people”

Yes, I understood that. However, pornography can affect peoples attitudes in both genders.

Galaxy appears to be linking possible detrimental effects of viewing porn to men in bringing about rape.

Whether Galaxy is advising that men should not watch porn because of its possible detrimental effect on their attitudes to women and sex, while it is perfectly alright for women to watch porn as it could not possibly affect their attitudes to men and sex.

That it would seem is unclear in the Galaxy post.

Blimey! ??

galaxy I bet that is news to you!

Whitewavemark2, in regard to your post @07:49 today, I should stick to your criticisms of this government and the left wing of the Labour Movement as you seem to do best in that. ???

Anyway I have an earlier start in the office today, so see you all later. ??

You can spot the pattern. Endless repeating of the same point, rudeness to posters, complete inventing of what people have said and finally when all else fails loads of an emojis and the office.
Thankyou whitewave.

He forgot to tell you that 6 million people would not agree with you.

Surely education should be the means to end discrimination?

As others have mentioned above legislation is enacted after social pressure and not before. This includes universal suffrage and the end to capital punishment although if the latter were to be re-introduced I'm sure that would be popular. Luckily govts are able to withstand popular pressure in that instance.

When I lived Brixton I was always amazed at how the children mixed. I'd see it on the buses and tube all the time. As they got older this changed and I always thought it was due to parental pressure. We lived just off Railton Road which was the seat of much rioting and destruction of property. We had Guyanese neighbours with whom we were on cordial relations, particularly the children who used to spend hours hanging over the fence if I was out in my garden. The day after the riots the father's demeanor towards us was markedly different. He was trying to find out our reactions without actually asking us. We explained that we thought policing in Brixton was the problem and he gradually relaxed towards us.

Other posters have also mentioned the soaps and the inclusion of social problems in their story lines. (The Archers were forgotten and I think that they were the first). I've noticed over recent years that many advertisements feature mixed family groups - colour and ages and I think it's a good thing, it's becoming the norm.

Yes you are right about the archers, it wasnt a deliberate oversight. I love the archers!
I think discrimination also comes in waves or perhaps it's more complex that that. Perhaps it's hard for those of us not in that particular group to judge it, I used to think that gay rights had progressed beyond measure but recently I am beginning to wonder if that is the case. I think you sometimes get so far and then there is a kickback so to speak.

Populist governments are successful by division and othering.

That is one reason that we have seen a rise in this sort of thing.

Legislation about anything should end the activities that it has outlawed as a result of social pressure, but there always remains a reservoir of those who don't wish to co-operate with the legislation any more than they did with social pressure. If it worked 100%, there would be no crime and we could all go out for the day leaving our front doors unlocked, our windows open, and our valuables in full view. For the attitudes to everyone to follow the legislation (which itself follows the change in attitudes of a majority and the positive actions of law-makers) time is needed for it to "sink in" and for it to become automatic to comply.

Populist governments have been singularly unsuccessful in coping with the pandemic, but do their followers care?

varian

Populist governments have been singularly unsuccessful in coping with the pandemic, but do their followers care?

Varian, the government can and has only set the framework for the population to follow throughout this pandemic.

However, it is working people that have within that ever changing framework kept this nation functioning whether that be in Health Care, Water, electricity, Gas, Food Manufacturing, Road Distribution or Essential Retailing, it is the crucial workers in those sectors that have provided all you and all others with what they have required to survive.

Therefore, Perhaps a little more appreciation and faith in the working people of this country combined with less condemnation of all would perhaps benefit your outlook varian

Johnson won’t last long. He’s a total embarrassment. Plus he thought this PM business was all a jolly and now he finds it’s not.

There’s rumours abounding that he will step down soon due to ill health, left over post Covid fatigue.

Grandad I totally agree with you. It it is true that key workers have without fail kept this country going throughout this pandemic, utilities, postman, refuse collectors, railway workers and many more unsung ordinary people have unfailingly turned up for duty. I for one am very grateful as I have made clear to the men who have emptied my bins week in and week out! Perhaps a clap for them would be in order?!
Constantly blaming this one and that one to the point of childish personal comments is to say the least tedious and unhelpful.

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Galaxy appears to be linking possible detrimental effects of viewing porn to men in bringing about rape. ”

Not in my book she isn’t.

Not in my book either but what do I know.
I am also quite capable of being grateful to key workers and looking at other aspects of society. In the same way I can think about what to have for tea and think about oh I dont know the situation in Syria.

Granny, it worries a lot of people that there are people like you that do not support a democratically elected government, finding fault with everything, that no doubt your magic wand could make better. Life isn't like that..

Put up and shut up Jabberwock? Not try to point out what is wrong because that’s ‘tedious’?

Lie down and roll over? Surely that’s not very British.

I haven't read all 13 pages threads, forgive me if I am repeating. I have a sneaky suspicion any potential replacement Prime Minister might not share enthusiasm for taking over the role right now. Have any of them called for an early General Election? Better to keep their head down, quietly note what is being done now and later insist they would have acted differently. Perhaps that is just because I think all politicians are sneaky and suspicious.

Furret, I think exactly the same about you, but am too polite to say so! I can't quite see that acknowledging the efforts and dedication of key workers is something to be told to shut up about, but you obviously don't value their contributions, in fact I daresay you wish that they'd all down tools and plunged the country into chaos. How disappointing for you that that didn't happen. The present government has been democratically elected under our current rules, and until those ruled are democratically changed that is what you are stuck with unless you are advocating anarchy? As for Boris, presumably you know categorically what he will be doing in six months time, not just hearsay , if not then you are in danger of, and probably are, talking rubbish.

Jabberwok

Furret, I think exactly the same about you, but am too polite to say so! I can't quite see that acknowledging the efforts and dedication of key workers is something to be told to shut up about, but you obviously don't value their contributions, in fact I daresay you wish that they'd all down tools and plunged the country into chaos. How disappointing for you that that didn't happen. The present government has been democratically elected under our current rules, and until those ruled are democratically changed that is what you are stuck with unless you are advocating anarchy? As for Boris, presumably you know categorically what he will be doing in six months time, not just hearsay , if not then you are in danger of, and probably are, talking rubbish.

What an odd and illogical misinterpretation you put on my words.

Do you understand the value of a question in debate? Shall I explain? It’s an invitation to discuss the point raised. You have clearly not understood that and dashed off a reply in the hear of the moment.

...in the heat of the moment.

Grandad I have great appreciation for the working people of this country, especially those on the front line who have kept us going during this difficulty year, but these workers have been sadly let down by our incompetent government, as have the people in the USA, Brazil and other countries with right wing populist governments.