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A group has been created with the aim of removing the government

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Grany Fri 21-Aug-20 08:54:39

This government is useless in everything they are doing or not doing. Demonstrations have not been effective. So an online group has been created which it hopes can spread gain millions of people with aim of then saying look we want to remove this useless government.

So what do GNetters think could this work?

Colin Blakemore

I am creating A group of like minded individuals to remove the government

remove-the-tory-government.mn.co/posts/7581420?utm_source=manual&fbclid=IwAR2Nii9jMWIx_P9tkGczfw0xXmVWo34lUDnUwoJ1IZiFSDanxeXmX1XyV5k

GrannyGravy13 Sat 22-Aug-20 10:35:47

trisher Unfortunately there are a lot of people of all generations who when they want something are more than happy to max out their credit cards without considering the what ifs

Rioting will not solve their problems, in fact if they are prosecuted it will be a blot on their future prospects.

Anniebach Sat 22-Aug-20 10:40:40

30 people in the group Callistemon ? Can 30 people overthrow the government?

Callistemon Sat 22-Aug-20 10:44:49

Not on £346 Anniebach

Grany Sat 22-Aug-20 10:44:51

I think you will find it is more then 30 people. Whatever
I thought it is/was good for discussion that's all.

trisher Sat 22-Aug-20 10:45:22

Don't know where the 30 came from I counted up to 100 then estimated about 160 I think.

Callistemon Sat 22-Aug-20 10:52:59

Unfortunately there are a lot of people of all generations who when they want something are more than happy to max out their credit cards without considering the what ifs

Grannygravy I saw a young woman with a family being interviewed on TV the other evening. I think they'd gone to Croatia for a holiday which they now needed to cut short because the children wouldn't be able to start school on time as quarantine has been introduced.

She asked how were they to get back as they had absolutely no money to pay for new flights back.
Why would anyone spend to the hilt like that, especially if a recession, if not depression, was imminent?
I can understand people not having savings but why spend on overseas holidays?

We've lived from month to month when the DC were young but never had holidays abroad until our finances improved somewhat.

Oldwoman70 Sat 22-Aug-20 10:54:14

If there are approximately 66,000,000 people in UK and 160 belong to this group - that means it is supported by 0.00024242424242424% of the population - should the government be worried? hmm

Callistemon Sat 22-Aug-20 10:55:21

Don't know where the 30 came from

I just looked on his page, perhaps misread but it said 30 followers I think.

160! Come the revolution, what will they replace it with? Colin himself?

Callistemon Sat 22-Aug-20 10:57:43

His site says:
30 donors
30 followers

He claims to have a membership of 1,700 so 1,670 of them don't think it's worth donating to.

POGS Sat 22-Aug-20 11:09:38

trisher

ANTIFA riots and protests can be the most violent, most destructive, they are not a happy clappy bunch of activists who protest peacefully as those who refuse to accept any other version declare.

Now the ' white supremacy' tag means ALL white people. White people are privileged and therefore must pay the price.

Do you follow American politics? Do you watch the factual evidence of the destruction of cities such as Seattle?

What do you think about the CHAZ/CHOP experiment!

Luckygirl Sat 22-Aug-20 11:30:44

Can't argue with their basic aims - get rid of current government, have a coalition and institute PR voting.

But their method is not going to work.

trisher Sat 22-Aug-20 11:37:29

POGS You've been watching too much Fox News. Try reading this. www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/chop-chaz-seattle-autonomous-zone-inside-protests-1017637/
If I lived in the area I think I would be happier to have a settled peaceful community around me rather than one where daily protests about the police and racial attacks were taking place. America has a long history of occupying spaces to achieve change.

Jabberwok Sat 22-Aug-20 11:45:10

Tbh I can't understand anyone going abroad for their holiday this year when things are so unpredictable. As for not having any crisis money! More fool them even in normal times, but especially now! Quarantine has been on the cards all summer,so If you must go surely you should bear that in mind, and if it would prove a problem, then don't go!!!

growstuff Sat 22-Aug-20 12:26:27

25Avalon What's with your obsession with Soros? You really should give up reading conspiracy theories.

lemongrove Sat 22-Aug-20 12:27:21

Exactly Jabberwok.??

Living on credit cards has become a problem for many younger people, they seem to have a lot of material things (and they do) but it’s the old ‘live now, pay later’ thing, and when the time comes that they can’t pay, and they have no savings, then the proverbial hits the fan.

growstuff Sat 22-Aug-20 12:29:29

And POGS Antifa isn't behind everything either. Only Trump (and you apparently) thinks so.

Dinahmo Sat 22-Aug-20 13:32:51

Illte

Thank you Dinahmo.

Would he not just call an election to try to get the majority back or dies he have to take that route?

He would have to have something to offer those MPs who had given up the whip. But what could he offer? Apparently many of the the Tory intake, especially in the "red wall" constituencies are local people. If their constituents are in favour of them resigning the whip then they run the risk of being de-selected.

If he didn't have a majority in parliament then he probably wouldn't be able to call an election.

It is a complicated subject.

Grandad1943 Sat 22-Aug-20 13:35:03

With respect to the opening poster but I believe that thoughts of a change of government at any time in the near future are wishful thinking. However, should the Covid -19 crisis produce the widespread unemployment some are predicting and that was further aggravated by a no deal outcome to the leave negotiations, then it is possible to perceive a no-confidence vote being passed in the House of Commons in such awful circumstances.

However, if one Conservative government is not to replace another in the above situation it is in reality only the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) that would have any chance of forming "a government of national unity" within the present elected parliament or a General Election would have to be held in an atmosphere, possibly, of great crisis. A General Election held in such an atmosphere would only benefit the extremes of left and right and therefore, I feel, would have to be avoided if at all possible.

The forgoing will mean that the Labour Party and the wider Labour movement must somehow overcome their present disagreements and once more reaffirm that one hundred years mutual support of each other. In the last few days, there would seem to be substantial movement to bring that about. In that, both Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell have spoken up in support of the continuation of the affiliation between the trade unions and the PLP.

The frontrunner to replace Len McCluskey as General Secretary of the Unite Union, Steve Turner, has stated that he wishes to maintain the affiliation, if at all possible, between Unite and the PLP which is crucial being that Unite are the Labour Parties largest financial donor.

Kier Starmer is now scheduled to address the TUC annual delegate conference in September. However, what Starmer states in that address may well turn out to be the most important words of his political career.

In all the foregoing, only action within the present Parliament can remove the existing government, and in that only if a majority in the House of Commons felt that action was absolutely necessary. It would then take Kier Starmer Leading a united PLP to work to form a government of national unity. A Labour Party divided within itself and financially insolvent would not suffice in carrying that out.

It also has to be considered who from within the Conservative party in the House of Commons would in such circumstances come forward to join Starmer and others in leading such a government???

And who would be Prime Minister????

POGS Sat 22-Aug-20 15:06:14

Quotetrisher Sat 22-Aug-20 11:37:29

'POGS You've been watching too much Fox News. Try reading this. www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/chop-chaz-seattle-autonomous-zone-inside-protests-1017637/

If I lived in the area I think I would be happier to have a settled peaceful community around me rather than one where daily protests about the police and racial attacks were taking place. America has a long history of occupying spaces to achieve change.'
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So your idea of peaceful community is the ANTIFA /Black Lives Matter attempt to set up the the CHAZ/CHOP area in Seattle is it? Do you even know what happened there?

Your idea of a settled peaceful community is like the ANTIFA/Black Lives, Matter protests/riots that have been ongoing for 80 days in Portland is it?

Your idea of a peaceful community is one where ANTIFA/Black Lives Matter come in to demand you give them your home is it?

Your idea of a peaceful community is established by the law makers enticing the law breaker and the defunding of the police is it?

That is what is happening in many states, it is anarchy.

As for the Fox News jibe intended as an insult yes I watch it and CNN and others and then I make it my responsibility to follow the story to assess the truth. I can honestly say the whole thing scares the bejezus out of me when I watch what is happening in the US I am accutely aware that things are brewing for us here in the UK if we put our head in the sand.

I worry just as much as to why some media outlets are NOT saying/reporting the truth. I watched an anchor man, can't remember from which station, possibly MSBC stood in front of a riot taking place and in front of a burning building declaring the protest was peaceful, couldn't make it up.

There is often used the quotation ' First they came for' words but the end ' Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me' is what is happening in the US and perversely it is those who claim to be against violence/racial hatred are doing exactly what they proport to be against, it is a sham, a lie and cause more harm than good to those who do not want to be politically associated with both orgainisations/groups but agree with 'some' of their ideas and principles.

25Avalon Sat 22-Aug-20 15:14:25

Growstuff I am not the one obsessed. Itnot all a conspiracy story as you might like to think. Have you actually read any of the links I put out or do you just stick to lefty articles? If you read more widely it might give you a different perspective. This is the man who broke the Bank of England and made a fortune out of it.

POGS Sat 22-Aug-20 15:15:16

Quotegrowstuff Sat 22-Aug-20 12:29:29
And POGS Antifa isn't behind everything either. Only Trump (and you apparently) thinks so.
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Yep, only me and Trump. Nailed it in one growstuff.

Of course those poor souls killed, beaten up in the riots think it's all a jolly. Then there are the hypocrites who call for the police to be defunded but who do they turn to when it's on their doorstep to protect them and call, yep the police.

growstuff Sat 22-Aug-20 15:39:31

Which poor souls? Sorry, I missed it.

Do you honestly think that being against fascism is a bad thing?

growstuff Sat 22-Aug-20 15:42:01

25Avalon

Growstuff I am not the one obsessed. Itnot all a conspiracy story as you might like to think. Have you actually read any of the links I put out or do you just stick to lefty articles? If you read more widely it might give you a different perspective. This is the man who broke the Bank of England and made a fortune out of it.

Yes, I do sometimes read your links.

And please don't label me as a "leftie" because it seems a tad lazy.

I suspect I read more widely than you. grin Soros didn't "break the Bank of England". Only somebody who is brainwashed could believe that.

growstuff Sat 22-Aug-20 15:58:07

25Avalon

Growstuff I am not the one obsessed. Itnot all a conspiracy story as you might like to think. Have you actually read any of the links I put out or do you just stick to lefty articles? If you read more widely it might give you a different perspective. This is the man who broke the Bank of England and made a fortune out of it.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/11920790/conspiracy-theories-george-soros-pays-protesters-owns-antifa-george-floyd-protests/
(It’s not often I link to the Sun. Sorry, Liverpool.)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-49584157

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/why-the-conspiracy-theories-about-george-soros-dont-stack-up

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/geore-soros-brexit-antisemitism-jew-conspiracy-theories-telegraph-story-plot-hungary-broke-bank-of-a8201651.html

www.timesofisrael.com/rising-conspiracy-theory-claims-george-soros-behind-us-unrest-adl-says/

theconversation.com/how-donald-trump-will-try-to-scapegoat-george-soros-to-win-re-election-140146

www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/apr/26/facebook-posts/no-george-soros-never-said-he-made-it-his-lifes-mi/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445097/Bizarre-conspiracy-theories-George-Soros-fueling-unrest-owning-Antifa-soar-online.html

www.theweek.co.uk/94509/why-is-george-soros-tied-to-so-many-conspiracy-theories

www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-414-george-soros-as-the-bogeyman-bohemian-rhapsody-losing-wildlife-salt-fat-acid-heat-and-more-1.4889039/how-conspiracy-theories-and-anti-semitism-turned-george-soros-into-a-bogeyman-for-the-american-right-1.4889040

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/george-soros-conspiracy-theories-surge-as-protests-sweep-us/articleshow/76505961.cms

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/08/george-soros-demonised-by-populists-nationalists-and-right-wing-press

MaizieD Sat 22-Aug-20 16:32:00

I wonder what was wrong with the Soros link I originally posted? confused.

Thanks for those, growstuff