Vaccine - I’m seriously concerned about this

janeainsworth I'm like you, I'll see you at the front of the queue

But let's not mix up licencing with testing. That's not what is being proposed. Although I wouldn't trust the current UK government as far as I could throw them....

Alegrias I'll be elbowing you and janeainsworth out of the way if it means I get to see my Canadian family
Would people really rather wait for 8-10 years for a vaccine? It's not without precedent that huge advances are made in many fields when the pressure is on. This pandemic is pressure unlike any other most of us will ever have lived through, and many countries have diverted their entire research efforts to this one factor.

janipat

Wouldn't have it unless they signed a piece of paper to say it was completely safe and properly tested - then signed by whoever administers it for future use in court if needed.
The drug companies don't want any liability but they do want the 'big' money involved.

No medical treatment, drug regime or vaccine is completely safe and even when properly tested, adverse reactions can still occur, NannyC2.

I'm just wondering, those of you who say you won't have it because you don't trust it, don't want to be a guinea pig etc; do you do a lot of research on any other drugs that you might be prescribed for other illnesses?
Or do you just trust the doctor?

I always look at side effects of drugs etc. before taking them. It is said that if you take more than 3 prescribed drugs they can work against each other.

I’m not prepared to take a new drug/vaccine without careful thought and to allow drug companies to escape responsibility for damage caused is indefensible.

Latest research suggests that steroids can have a beneficial effect against this particular virus. At least we know about the side effects of steroids.

Having said all that, I may have to accept taking this vaccine if I wish to visit my family in New Zealand anytime soon.

Yes, Alegrias. I do research drugs especially as I have to take some on repeat prescriptions.
We know the flu vaccine doesn't work well and it has been around ages now. Did you know that it is claimed people who did not have a flu jab did not get Covid?
Even some doctors don't take the flu vaccine!!
I have listened to doctors who know what they are talking about.
I keep repeating, but it's all about MONEY and the drug companies. I know about payments for drugs - I worked in the NHS!

Just found - Global Research...

"Independent experts agree that all vaccines are hazardous to human health because they contain mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), and other toxins able to weaken and potentially destroy the human immune system.

Noted vaccine expert Dr. Viera Schiebner stressed that

“(t)here is no evidence whatsoever of the ability of vaccines to prevent any diseases.”

“To the contrary, there is a great wealth of evidence that they cause serious side effects.”

In her book titled “Vaccination 100 years of Orthodox Research,” she explained that vaccinations are biological weapons'.
.......and .......elsewhere .....

Despite years of research elsewhere, no successful coronavirus vaccines were ever developed, notably not in the West

Did you know that it is claimed people who did not have a flu jab did not get Covid?
Are you serious nannyc2?
a) I haven’t heard that claimed, so I’d be interested in a reference. Who is ‘claiming’ it?
b) I have had the flu jab for the last 10 years at least and so far I have escaped Covid, anecdotal but there you are.
c) most people in this country haven’t caught Covid. That obviously includes people who haven’t had the flu vaccine, who make up the majority of the population.
c) Even if evidence showed that there was an association between failure to have a flu jab and protection against Covid, it would not prove a causal relationship.

Crossed posts with your post at 20.29 nanny.
Could I ask in what capacity you worked for the NHS?

Independent experts agree that all vaccines are hazardous to human health because they contain mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), and other toxins able to weaken and potentially destroy the human immune system
However, TB, smallpox, diphtheria, polio, measles, whooping cough, shingles, dengue fever, yellow fever, etc etc etc are actually even more hazardous to human health which is why people used to die from them in their droves.
Are you saying you are anti-vaxx NannyC2 ?

Dr Viera Schiebner is hardly an unbiased expert. She’s firmly in the anti-vax camp.

NannyC2

Just found - Global Research...

"Independent experts agree that all vaccines are hazardous to human health because they contain mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), and other toxins able to weaken and potentially destroy the human immune system.

Noted vaccine expert Dr. Viera Schiebner stressed that

“(t)here is no evidence whatsoever of the ability of vaccines to prevent any diseases.”

“To the contrary, there is a great wealth of evidence that they cause serious side effects.”

In her book titled “Vaccination 100 years of Orthodox Research,” she explained that vaccinations are biological weapons'.
.......and .......elsewhere .....

Despite years of research elsewhere, no successful coronavirus vaccines were ever developed, notably not in the West

Viera Scheibner is a Slovak-Australian anti-vaccination activist and retired geologist. From 1958 until 1968 she was assistant professor in the department of geology at Comenius University, Bratislava
Born: 27 March 1935 (age 85 years), Bratislava, Slovakia

Did you mean this person?

I don’t see why I or anybody should be following the say-so of a retired Geologist rather than the vast majority of the medical profession.

Oh my goodness NannyC2. One Google search and I found this:
"Viera Scheibner is a Slovak-Australian anti-vaccination activist and retired geologist. ...... Since her retirement from the Department of Mineral Resources, New South Wales, Australia in 1987, Scheibner has been active in the anti-vaccination field, writing and giving lectures opposing vaccines and vaccinations."

Not exactly a vaccines expert, although I have no doubt she knows a lot about rocks.

"In 2001, Brian Pezzutti criticised Viera's anti-vaccination campaigning in the NSW Legislative Council, describing Scheibner as providing "misleading information", and highlighting her March letter to the Medical Observer which "makes claims that are not supported by the documentation she referred to". Pezzutti stated that it was "very important for people to realise that the information provided by Dr Scheibner is not accurate" "

I don't think I'll be taking anything she says about vaccines as fact.

Oops, cross post SueDonim and MawB2

Anti - vaccination misinformation has caused untold suffering in the USA measles epidemic.

While nobody can claim that any medicine is 100% safe, surely it's a case of balancing the risks of vaccination against the risks of catching Covid!

This thread wasn't really about the usefulness or efficacy of vaccines - it was really about the government consultation document and the proposed changes.
A lot of these seem to be changing medical practice and/or responsibility.

notspaghetti this is from the consultation document:

“To evaluate responses fully we need to ensure we reach a wide number of people from diverse backgrounds and experiences.
The following set of questions will help us better understand who is responding to this consultation and in what capacity.”

I hope they don’t have to waste too much time on, or are unduly influenced by, the sort of arrant nonsense posted by nannyC2.

Personally I think a public consultation on this sort of matter is ridiculous. We have highly trained scientists, virologists, immunologists, experts in public health etc, - what is the point of consulting people who know virtually nothing about what is involved (I include myself in that category) or worse still, have fervent belief in pseudoscience, quackery and smoke and mirrors?

I have just volunteered to take part in the vaccine tests. They are looking for more older people.

If anyone else is interested, look on the NHS site. The more people willing to take part, the quicker it can be rolled out to the rest of the population.

It is not a live vaccine and there are warnings of possible swelling at the site and 24hrs temperature and general malaise. Those are the same warnings as the ordinary vaccine,

Well thank you Tweedle - I am pleased people feel confident enough to do this.

I don't know if I have anything particularly unusual in terms of genes or an unusual medical condition. I am a carrier for an inherited disease though so I'll take the advice of my daughter's virologist friend and give it a miss till they have done the initial "experimental millions" first.

I do hope it works Tweedle and you have no nasty side effects.

I just echo the sentiments of NotSpahetti.

You just try to help people to look to a wider awareness and just get told it's nonsense! I don't profess to know all the answers. An expert wanted to take part in a debate about vaccines, but those in authority appear to be afraid to take up the challenge - I wonder why?

My answer is 'time will reveal the truth.'
Just for the record, I was not anti vaccine, but do certainly question the process now.

I truly hope you all keep well and safe.

Not spaghetti, thank you for pointing out the point of the post. Quite often the OP point is subsumed into more general discussion.

One last slightly off-topic post, sorry ayse!

I'm quite new to Gransnet and try very hard to stay on topic when I'm posting. But when I see nonsense posted, I have to say something about it, otherwise it all adds to the background of fake news and anti-science.

Right, back to the Strictly thread for me....

"Alegrias" Thank you so much for your contributions on this thread, you speak for me and I'm sure many others. As a retired bioscientist myself, and chemist my husband, we have both volunteered to have the vaccine
if volunteers our age are required.