Could you imagine Mrs Thatcher breaking the law?

Unimpressed, Ug.

I prefer to listen to lawyers and statesmen (and women), not a dubious piece of whataboutery.

Just a different opinion to you MaizieD is all. It’s good to have different opinions otherwise it just becomes an echo chamber.

And without opinions, where would discussion and chat be.

Imagine I’m with friends and we are having a discussion and I’d have to say ‘nice try Shirley but I’m going to spout what the lawyers are saying’. End of conversation whilst sitting on the moral high ground.

I hope it doesn’t get too cold for you up there MaizieD.
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The EU state owned super trawlers are deliberately and illegally
breaking a ban on fishing in the UK preservation areas. Why is no one in the EU concerned by this? Acting illegally seems ok when it's the EU, but shock horror of we should even contemplate it!

All politicians, no matter what they claim to believe and fight for, lie, cheat and deceive. It’s a necessary part of the job, and one of the qualifications needed. Money talks in the end, and you’re deluded if you think it’s anything else.

There are still some honourable politicians, even a few Conservatives.

twitter.com/i/status/1303741307731443714

The Liberal Democrats have demanded the Prime Minister explain his “brazen hypocrisy” given his Government’s readiness to break international law with the Internal Market Bill, while expecting “everybody in this country to obey the law.”

The accusation follows an exchange at Prime Minister’s Questions today where Liberal Democrat MP Munira Wilson asked “If Ministers think it is acceptable for this Government to not obey the law, how on earth can the Prime Minister expect the public at home to do so?”

Despite confirmation yesterday from the Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis that the proposed Northern Ireland customs legislation “does break international law”, the Prime Minister told the House of Commons that he expects “everybody in this country to obey the law.”

The Liberal Democrat MP for Twickenham has called on the Prime Minister to make a statement clarifying his Government’s “precise position” when it comes to upholding the rule of law.

It seems the country is divided between those who retain moral standards and integrity and trash.

Poin

I met an interesting person today who was involved in many meetings with the Iron Lady and she said she was utterly ruthless etc. However we both agreed that she would have made a much better job of managing the pandemic, More decisive, clearer etc.

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Point out the lies, lawbreaking, corruption and dishonour and faces are turned against it by what aboutery. No effort to face the truth and engage with the issues.

Jaberwok: yes, I am concerned about these trawlers as are the members of a dolphin watching group that I belong to. There is a petition, I believe but, yet again I can’t work out how to do a link to it on my iPad.

No, sorry, never liked her at all even though I actually voted for her party in the hope that with a woman PM, women in general would get a much better deal as far as equal pay etc. How wrong was I ? There may have been an equal pay law go through Parliament but can't say that it is properly enforced!
I will say that all the way through Covid, MT would not be "advising" people, it would have been "you will " with probably much better results as far as stopping the spread.

And also, Mrs Thatcher was a scientist and countries that have had people in power with a scientific background seem to have fared much better.

The EU are using this argument as a weapon to browbeat the UK to give into its demands before even contemplating any trade deal! What other free country has has had that sort of pistol to its head before embarking on talks about trade?. Canada? Japan. Norway? I don't think so! So why should we? As for integrity! Apart from Poland we are the only country in Europe that pays it's NATO dues in full! Not very trustworthy! Perhaps we could leave and the France and Germany could pick up the shortfall?!! Perhaps Joe Biden.needs reminding of this when spouting off about punishing the UK?!!

Tough talking from a small economy like the U.K. compared to the other enormous economic blocks will simply be ignored by the rest of the world.

This is a lesson to be learned by so many in the U.K.

The EU block has announced that it has sufficient grounds to take legal action in the form of financial or trade sanctions.

Now we will understand our limitations

Maybee points out-

"And also, Mrs Thatcher was a scientist and countries that have had people in power with a scientific background seem to have fared much better."

It is also true that countries which have done better tend to have women in charge.

The EU aren't browbeating anyone,They cant give the UK a better deal them they had and not charge the same as before. Everybody else would want that deal too and the whole system would collapse The NI issue is massive...for the people who live there NOT for Tories though or BREXITEERS.Of course Brexiteers cant see the wood for the trees and the tree in this case is Bojo who never wanted a deal in the frst place ,hence dragging his heels. IF the WM government breaks international law they wont just be the laughing stock they are now they'll be total pariahs.NOBODY in their right minds will trade anything with them at ANY rate ,and the tarrifs will cripple us even if WM conforms to the rule of law

All for what? Control of everything you already had control over? It wasn't the EU that screwed up the economy IT was WM .It was WM who had control over borders and didn't use it ,WM who spent recklessy and borrowed TRILLIONS instead of bring down the debt as they "promised" AND IMPOSED AUSTERITY on the people who didn't cause the crash while their rich pals doubled their wealth. WM who now have the second largest UNelected assembly outside of China ..only the House of "lords" costs a great deal more and WM who are lying,cheating and immoral clowns.

WM aren't just untrustworthy JABERWOK they're CRIMINAL

No, I cannot imagine Mrs Thatcher breaking the law, nor really any of her predecessors, whether Conservative or Labour.

But in view of Aritcle 38 is the law actually being broken? I've never trusted BJ and the fact that he's allowed to hold office considering the Guppy horror is beyond all belief.

Sir Bill Cash would imho be a marvelous PM. Many would say too old for the job but I think even one or two years of decency at No. 10 would go a long way to airing out the stench.

conservativewoman.co.uk/tcws-brexit-watch-johnson-can-indeed-rip-up-the-withdrawal-agreement/

'Private Eye' used to have a regular page on E.U. truths (or lack thereof.) It was mind-boggling, terrifying, and stupendously well-researched journalism. Anyone who ever read it can't help but wonder just how honest anything to come out of an E.U. mouth is.

Of course one group's lies don't justify anyone else's lies.
I just think 38 means we're not actually breaking the law or being dishonest. Actually I think it's the other way round.

Jaberwok and lemongrove

Though it may be a bit unfair on snakes to compare them to Heath!

Actually I think Mrs Thatcher did encourage others to break the law. Think of the miners' strike and Orgreave. Did the police there behave independently or did instructions come to them from those in authority?

There's also this

globalvisionuk.com/reasserting-our-sovereignty-a-practical-necessity/

From brexiter Michael Howard.

trisher I absolutely agree with you here. Would the police really have behaved in such a manner without instruction or at least an OK?

Not to mention the Poll Tax. A friend's boyfriend at the time had t-shirts printed that said 'Laugh? I nearly paid my Poll Tax!' Wish I still had mine.

And saying 'There's no such thing as Society.' It's not breaking the law, obviously, but then again it's not the sort of statement that exactly encourages a healthily law-abiding, er, society, is it? Thanks for excellent input.

Sorry I keep doing this but there's some really good stuff out there.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/10/no-10-must-stand-firm-flouting-international-law-face-eu-expansionism/

haporth ?flowers are always welcome, but why are you sending them to me?
I can well imagine Mrs T breaking International Law if she thought it went against the UK’s interests.

Jaylucy ? yes, it would have def been ‘you will’ from MT
And she would have had her stern face on for the tv interviews.Johnson never wants to offend the public ( we need offending at the moment!)