Could you imagine Mrs Thatcher breaking the law?

The EU block has announced that it has sufficient grounds to take legal action in the form of financial or trade sanctions.

Now we will understand our limitations

Tough talking from a small economy like the U.K. compared to the other enormous economic blocks will simply be ignored by the rest of the world.

This is a lesson to be learned by so many in the U.K.

The EU are using this argument as a weapon to browbeat the UK to give into its demands before even contemplating any trade deal! What other free country has has had that sort of pistol to its head before embarking on talks about trade?. Canada? Japan. Norway? I don't think so! So why should we? As for integrity! Apart from Poland we are the only country in Europe that pays it's NATO dues in full! Not very trustworthy! Perhaps we could leave and the France and Germany could pick up the shortfall?!! Perhaps Joe Biden.needs reminding of this when spouting off about punishing the UK?!!

And also, Mrs Thatcher was a scientist and countries that have had people in power with a scientific background seem to have fared much better.

No, sorry, never liked her at all even though I actually voted for her party in the hope that with a woman PM, women in general would get a much better deal as far as equal pay etc. How wrong was I ? There may have been an equal pay law go through Parliament but can't say that it is properly enforced!
I will say that all the way through Covid, MT would not be "advising" people, it would have been "you will " with probably much better results as far as stopping the spread.

Jaberwok: yes, I am concerned about these trawlers as are the members of a dolphin watching group that I belong to. There is a petition, I believe but, yet again I can’t work out how to do a link to it on my iPad.

Posted too early

Point out the lies, lawbreaking, corruption and dishonour and faces are turned against it by what aboutery. No effort to face the truth and engage with the issues.

I met an interesting person today who was involved in many meetings with the Iron Lady and she said she was utterly ruthless etc. However we both agreed that she would have made a much better job of managing the pandemic, More decisive, clearer etc.

It seems the country is divided between those who retain moral standards and integrity and trash.

Poin

The Liberal Democrats have demanded the Prime Minister explain his “brazen hypocrisy” given his Government’s readiness to break international law with the Internal Market Bill, while expecting “everybody in this country to obey the law.”

The accusation follows an exchange at Prime Minister’s Questions today where Liberal Democrat MP Munira Wilson asked “If Ministers think it is acceptable for this Government to not obey the law, how on earth can the Prime Minister expect the public at home to do so?”

Despite confirmation yesterday from the Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis that the proposed Northern Ireland customs legislation “does break international law”, the Prime Minister told the House of Commons that he expects “everybody in this country to obey the law.”

The Liberal Democrat MP for Twickenham has called on the Prime Minister to make a statement clarifying his Government’s “precise position” when it comes to upholding the rule of law.

There are still some honourable politicians, even a few Conservatives.

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All politicians, no matter what they claim to believe and fight for, lie, cheat and deceive. It’s a necessary part of the job, and one of the qualifications needed. Money talks in the end, and you’re deluded if you think it’s anything else.

The EU state owned super trawlers are deliberately and illegally
breaking a ban on fishing in the UK preservation areas. Why is no one in the EU concerned by this? Acting illegally seems ok when it's the EU, but shock horror of we should even contemplate it!

Just a different opinion to you MaizieD is all. It’s good to have different opinions otherwise it just becomes an echo chamber.

And without opinions, where would discussion and chat be.

Imagine I’m with friends and we are having a discussion and I’d have to say ‘nice try Shirley but I’m going to spout what the lawyers are saying’. End of conversation whilst sitting on the moral high ground.

I hope it doesn’t get too cold for you up there MaizieD.
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Unimpressed, Ug.

I prefer to listen to lawyers and statesmen (and women), not a dubious piece of whataboutery.

Sherelle Jacobs in the Telegraph today (behind a paywall so cut & paste here:

“It is bizarre that No 10 has failed to point out to Remainers the first rule of geopolitical jurisprudence: sovereign will is the ultimate authority in the creation of international law. Ergo international law is only valid to the extent that it does not subordinate the principle of sovereign will. And why are ministers so reluctant to break the news to self-righteous Remainers that in the adult world, breaking trade rules is sometimes part of doing business? The established practice whereby countries break WTO regulations and then compensate affected countries is just one example.

Most exasperating of all is the Tory failure to call out Ursula von der Leyen’s pompous Tweets invoking Pacta sunt servanda (“agreements must be kept”). The EU frequently and shamelessly violates international law, not to defend its sovereignty but to extend its reach and neutralise threats. The EU’s fishing activities in the waters of occupied Western Sahara have violated international law. The EU’s penchant for instructing member states to defy Security Council rulings that threaten its supremacy violates international law. So too its track record for sending migrants back to North Africa and Turkey. Who is really the rogue state, Britain or the EU empire?”

I have a theory that Cummings and Gove are sat in the background making up as many mind watering ly expensive and useless schemes as they think they can get away with and feeding it to Johnson, who laps it up and spouts it out to the general public.

Lots of pretty diagrams called “moonshot”

But

Bear in mind this is £100 billion - £100 billion! - govt Is preparing to spend on public health project that is ‘devoid of any contribution from scientists, clinicians, and public health and testing and screening experts’

Cadwalladre

The latest gem in a a”moonshot” virus testing scheme when there will be millions done every day.

With a projected budget of £100 billion. Yes, £100 billion!!

Lots of lovely dosh for Cummings' friends and relations...

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When you say big fat liar, you mean he tells big fat lies.
Just in case you get accused of “disgusting” personal remarks.

Not a single brexiter is willing to discuss whether breaking international law is wrong.

They know it is but are simply not willing to admit that it is wrong.

Johnson has become a person of whom I can no longer listen without total total disbelief and cynicism.

I can’t remember a time when he has opened his mouth and sounded like a prime minister, let alone when he has told the truth.

The latest gem in a a”moonshot” virus testing scheme when there will be millions done every day.

Can’t be done. We know it and he knows it.

Johnson is a big fat liar.

I am contemptuous if liars.

We should all be contemptuous if liars.

But we all aren’t are we?

Nezumi65

There’s no point banging on about Thatcher etc.

This Twitter thread, largely from Brexiteers sums up the problem with his govt (& explains why you need to be putting blame closer to home than Brussels).

twitter.com/thescepticisle/status/1303788314017890305?s=21

What a surprising thread, Nezumi. I had to work hard to realise that some tweeters were, indeed, Brexiters.
Where is the anti EU hysteria, the blind support for Johnson, the support for ignoring the rule of law?

Good god, man. The timeline looked very similar to mine

I don't think our Gnet Leavers will like it at all.

There’s no point banging on about Thatcher etc.

This Twitter thread, largely from Brexiteers sums up the problem with his govt (& explains why you need to be putting blame closer to home than Brussels).

twitter.com/thescepticisle/status/1303788314017890305?s=21

Mrs T spot on about Europe, as astute as always! A great lady!

Thankyou GillT57. Churchill was a brilliant war leader but a good peacetime PM (1951) he was not! My father was killed serving as air crew in Bomber Comand, and I resented not receiving any recognition whatsoever for his, and all those in air crews bravery once the war ended, (not even a mention ) both for my mother for me, for 70 years. To late for her of course, and too little grudgingly given after years of campaigning, for me. I was really just pointing out that despite this admiration for Winston he wasn't quite as noble as some people think! Mrs Thatcher was a much better PM in every way - streets ahead of Winston imo!