The new rules for coronavirus - how will it affect your family?

You can take your chances if you like Sparkling but would you mind wearing a big badge stating you're a chancer because I'd like to keep my distance.

Grandad1943

Sparkling

I do feel we have to get back to normal working life and take our chances.

So Sparkling, we withdraw all the emergency restrictions and when rampant Covid-19 breaks out in Britains food processing, distribution centres and road transport industry we will hear no complaints from you in regard to the severe shortages created as that will be "getting back to normal working life"????

My goodness! I better hadn't start making this a habit Grandad, but I agree with you.

Sparkling

I do feel we have to get back to normal working life and take our chances.

So Sparkling, we withdraw all the emergency restrictions and when rampant Covid-19 breaks out in Britains food processing, distribution centres and road transport industry we will hear no complaints from you in regard to the severe shortages created as that will be "getting back to normal working life"????

I do feel we have to get back to normal working life and take our chances.

Many of the "rules" are being dreamt up by (probably young male) government lackeys. As for informing MSM of Granny's intentions.....??

A school near me has already accepted that they will have to have a one week on/one week off system for the foreseeable future, because there are so many staff self-isolating.

maddyone

Schools may need to be closed for very short periods in the event of an outbreak in a particular school, whilst a deep clean is undertaken and children and staff get a Covid19 test, but under NO circumstances must schools be closed again for long periods. We are damaging our children by prolonged school closures and this cannot be allowed to happen again in a civilised society.
Children’s education, socialisation, and mental health must come first. The young are more important than the old. Unpalatable but true.

It's also unpalatable but true that schools can never be "covid safe" according to the criteria expected of the rest of society. There can never be safe social distancing and it's naive to think children won't touch their faces and will wash their hands frequently.

The failing test and trace system means that there already many pupils off school trying to get tests.

I'm not advocating closing schools as they were last term, but a realistic approach to ensure that they remain open for as many hours as possible and there is good quality online learning for the times when pupils aren't un schools.

Schools may need to be closed for very short periods in the event of an outbreak in a particular school, whilst a deep clean is undertaken and children and staff get a Covid19 test, but under NO circumstances must schools be closed again for long periods. We are damaging our children by prolonged school closures and this cannot be allowed to happen again in a civilised society.
Children’s education, socialisation, and mental health must come first. The young are more important than the old. Unpalatable but true.

Franbern

Maddyone, you have the same feelings I do, I think children and young people have been totally ignored through so much of this year. They MUST be priority - and as someone who is close to eíghty, totally agree that any sort of protection for us should be way down the priority list as opposed to that of children. Under NO circumstances should schools, colleges and Uni's be closed again!!!

Not even if they have infected pupils and staff?

I think that is a very important factor Greta

In this country there is a huge disparity in incomes, living standards and social cohesion.

Our politics is confrontational and polarised, whereas in democratic countries which have elections on the basis of proportional representation, co-alition governments result in a much stronger feeling of we're all in it together".

It is difficult to compare countries. Sweden does have a smaller population and have more space- both indoors and outdoors. But perhaps more important is that there is a greater social cohesion – people are 'together' in a way that is not always the case in the UK. Swedes were not ordered to stay at home but most of them accepted that it was wise to avoid crowds and be more aware of risks. Schools remained open. It is also true that in Sweden you don't find such huge differences in people's living standard/education.

Yes I always think that when comparisons are made and there is a disparity as far as populations are concerned particularly if it's a large land mass with sparsely populated areas. Nevertheless, they have their cities, Stockholm, Malmo, Gothenburg to name but 3. Sweden now apparently has a lower infection rate than other Scandinavian countries, also small populations, but they did lock down.

It is not really possible to compare Sweden with the UK. There is a much smaller population, living in manily rural communities.

I don't think Sweden has had a lock down. Their death and infection was pretty high at one time, but now it seems they are emerging as one of the safest places in Europe, which is baffling Meanwhile because businesses there were able to operate freely, their economy hasn't tanked like everyone else's

The only option if this epidemic is not to change everyone's lives in Britain for many years to come is to ensure that everyone complies with regulations as they are redrawn and announced.

For England, the regulation is now straightforward, with no gathering of more than six persons with the exception of a larger single household. However, without doubt, we will all witness that regulation being flouted by large numbers of people in public houses, cafes, restaurants and in illegal raves and other gatherings.

To restore respect for the Covid-19 regulations the police must react strongly wherever they witness such flouting of those regulations by way of closing down pubs restaurants etc who's owners are not enforcing the legislation and breaking up raves and other legal gatherings with whatever strong action is required.

The problem is at this point that many now believe, quite rightly so, that the police will not enforce the legislation or are incapable of doing so. Here in North Somerset which falls under the Avon and Somerset Constabulary, the force in recent months have stood by inactive while two well-publicised very large illegal raves have taken place and a public statue in Bristol city centre was pulled down, rolled through the streets and dumped in the harbour all in full view of the police and media. No one, as far as I am aware, has been arrested or prosecuted for any of the above acts.

Therefore if the Covid-19 pandemic in Britain is to be once more brought back under control, respect for the emergency legislation and the authorities that enforce it has to be brought about, and in that the police must be supported in whatever it takes to achieve that end.

Then perhaps we will all get to see our families once again.

Maddyone, you have the same feelings I do, I think children and young people have been totally ignored through so much of this year. They MUST be priority - and as someone who is close to eíghty, totally agree that any sort of protection for us should be way down the priority list as opposed to that of children. Under NO circumstances should schools, colleges and Uni's be closed again!!!

maddy I do not believe for one minute that anyone who is terminally ill will be denied visits from dc and dgc ( unless they live in a care home of course which is where the real obscene scandal of the loss of human rights is happening)

The composition of the six people in the 4 countries is also different. In England, 6 people from upto 6 households, NI 6 people from two households, Scotland 6 adults ( and children unde4 12 from two households) Wales 6 people ( and children under 12) from the ‘extended household’ which I believe is upto 4 separate households which have formed this ‘extended’ household so it’s not as simple as whether children under 12 are counted or not. Depending on circumstances, the E system could be seen as more flexible.

Janipat
Absolutely, people who knows they’re terminally ill, how cruel to stop them from spending a little more time with their children and grandchildren. Depriving both themselves and their families of special memories.

If eleven and unders are not included in the six people in the U.K. to bring it inline with Wales and Scotland I shall sit quietly and wait for the thread My GC is twelve today so that means I can longer visit my AC, it's not right

Callistemon
I’m so very concerned about the children in all this. I honestly feel that they have been at the bottom of the pile through it all. Cut off from family and friends during lockdown, no proper education, no clubs, horse riding, swimming, football, ballet, music lessons, park runs (apparently starting again in October thank goodness) and on it goes. No thought for our children at all. Now they have just been released to at least see their extended family and go to school, and the government has effectively cut them off from family again. In England anyway.
I actually feel that we now should consider the children first. This will probably be controversial among Gransnetters but I think the children are more important than the eightie pluses. As my daughter said, they’ve had their lives, the children have only just started. I’m in my sixties, but I think my grandchildren are more important than me. And their needs are more important than mine.

Franbern

Interesting to hear government spokesman in House of Lords yesterday admitting that the Rule of Six was not based on any sort of scientific evidence, just thought that it was a simple message that we (the stupid masses) would understand.

And this is why people resent rules like this. We have been constantly told the guidance/laws have followed the science even though some of it was so blatantly illogical, but the majority of us kept them anyway. To have a spokesman admit the Rule of Six is not science based but just a whim is sickening.
And does anyone really believe that baby Johnson has only been held/cuddled by his parents and no wider family including grandparents? I for one don't. But then they've demonstrated before, the rules are really only for the plebs.
Some people have terminal illnesses and know they will not see next year. Bit harsh to tell them to stop moaning, wait until next year to hug and see your loved ones.

maddyone, yes I did feel relieved when they said that under 11s would not be counted in the rule of six in Wales.

I have a feeling this rule of 6 might change soon.

It does seem bizarre that we can do all manner of things but not have the family round

Interesting to hear government spokesman in House of Lords yesterday admitting that the Rule of Six was not based on any sort of scientific evidence, just thought that it was a simple message that we (the stupid masses) would understand.