No more than 6 people indoors or out

Furret that’s amazing

Can't see a problem. If you can't all visit together, go in shifts. It's certainly inconvenient, but not impossible for most people. I agree with Gwyneth and others.

Jaberwok

As I said we all lead such cossetted lives in comparison to places like India,Africa, the middle East, South America, and so on where lots of people know what real hardship and despair is

Yes, we know. That's why I welcome refugee

We are in Birmingham and we can't mix with anyone at all

As I said we all lead such cossetted lives in comparison to places like India,Africa, the middle East, South America, and so on where lots of people know what real hardship and despair is

Well had all four grandchildren after school yesterday from two different families and with DH and myself that made a legal 6.

Then unthinking our son arrived to take his home and suddenly we were illegal - for a couple of minutes. Hadn't thought that one through ?

With respect, Jabberwok, if your situation is straightforward (and by this I’m not implying easy), then it is simple. More complex situations are by nature, more complex!

Well I don't find it.difficult to understand, admittedly you do have to keep with the changes but it's not that complicated to work out your particular situation! It obviously changes a fair bit because the situation changes on sometimes a daily basis, hardly the governments fault and they are doing their best. Could anyone else do any better? I very much doubt it!

We didn't see our grandchildren for four months! Our daughter is seriously ill having suffered a brain haemorrhage! we couldn't see her in hospital, and finally saw her for two hours last Saturday. She is now shielded, so who knows when we'll see her again or if! I'm certainly not blaming Boris or Matt Hancock or anyone else in government for this calamity, it's just one of those things! I do feel that if only people could have been less selfish during the summer we might not be in this position!

Jaberwock, you say ^Government guidance is
perfectly clear if you bother to read it properly^ but there are areas where no amount of careful reading seems to apply or make any sense.
The irritation is that the people who should have the answers, simply don’t.

I so agree with Gwynteth. All.this constant moaning and blaming the government! Yes of course mistakes have happened, they have with every government who have had to cope with this pandemic!! Government guidance is
perfectly clear if you bother to read it properly, and perhaps if people had obeyed the guidance during the summer including isolating after foreign holidays, we would 't be in this position! Imagine living in a third world country and coping with this as well as abject poverty? I think we'd have more to worry about than seeing family at Xmas!! Trouble is we are all so spoilt in the West and can't cope with any disruption to our cossetted lives!

I'd be happy with 6 allowed to meet. In two weeks time our restrictions may be eased to allow 5 people from 2 households to meet. This means OH and I will still not be able to get together with our son, daughter in law and 4 & 6 year old grandsons. We have not seen them since June.

It’s ridiculous to defend grouse shooting on the grounds it affects employment. Let’s employ people in the dog fighting and cock fighting industry - there would be. a lot of jobs there. It was argued we couldn’t abolish slavery as it affected people’s livelihoods. If we believe something is wrong, we can’t defend it on economic grounds.

M0nica

Think how many people would lose their jobs if the shooting season was cancelled. These large estates are often in remote places with little alternaative employment. They provide work for game keepers, other estate workers directly, pocket money jobs for beaters and temporary staff needed for each shooting day, then there are hotels, caterers, and lots of other ancillary
services surrounding the presence of extra people in the area.

Nobody is my social superior, neither is anybody my social inferior, too many people who complain about 'social superiors' throughly enjoy despising those they see as their sociaal inferiors.

The also kill hen harriers, and other wildlife seen as a treat to the birds they want to kill.

Killing for sport should never be encouraged.

Burning heather kills valuable insect and wild life. Burning emits hundreds of thousands of tons of carbon into the atmosphere. It dries the peat and reduces its ability to absorb moisture thus encouraging flooding.
Lead shot let off in enormous numbers is lethal to all animals.

I would never support the glorious twelve because there is nothing glorious about it.

Furlough them. I think that's a pathetic excuse MOnica. Sorry!

How many people are going to lose their jobs as a result of Brexit? How many self-employed haven't had a penny from any of the government compensation schemes? I could go on ...

Think how many people would lose their jobs if the shooting season was cancelled. These large estates are often in remote places with little alternaative employment. They provide work for game keepers, other estate workers directly, pocket money jobs for beaters and temporary staff needed for each shooting day, then there are hotels, caterers, and lots of other ancillary
services surrounding the presence of extra people in the area.

Nobody is my social superior, neither is anybody my social inferior, too many people who complain about 'social superiors' throughly enjoy despising those they see as their sociaal inferiors.

"Our superiors"? How far back do these right-wing populists intend to take us?

People who shoot grouse on grouse moors are my social superiors. Social superiors get special consideration.

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If you carry a gun you can meet up to 30 people. Special exemption whizzed through

If my two GC total age 11 are counted as one adult (not by their behaviour) then I should be OK!!

There seem to me to be a lot of people on this forum who are fed up with a lot of things.

However, in real life everyone I speak to seems to be taking it all in their stride. I do live in the country where there is a lot of room and we always seem to have lots to do. Whether this upbeat attitude will last into the winter is a different story.
Village halls and activities, although compromised by the rules, are beginning to start again.

I’ve no idea if there will be an end to this anytime soon, I doubt it and expect we will be getting a lot more rules that we should obey.
We either get on and do what we are told or take the consequences. The consequences are a lot more deaths. Hong Kong flu killed many more people around the globe than we have seen with this pandemic at a time when the world’s population was much smaller and travelling round the world was not something that most people did.
The action taken by governments then was practically nothing.
Should we go for that attitude?

suziewoozie

The choice isn’t between social distancing in a pub and cuddling up in the home - you should be social distancing from anyone you don’t live with ( apart from support bubbles)wherever you are. I’m sure some people don’t realise that - it’s got lost in the rule of 6 imo

Spot on suziewoozie

Yes, just read that, Franbern. I read that Cabinet ministers were sent an agenda item titled "Exemption: hunting and shooting" - with only that one thing on the agenda. When it looked as though there may be objections they cancelled the meeting and just inserted some new text into the regulations.

According to Huffington Post, the entire issue held up the publication of the regulations

So now, “shooting (including hunting and paintball that requires a shotgun or firearms certificate license)” as a “sport or organised outdoor activity” is included in the "up to 30 people" exemptions category.

The choice isn’t between social distancing in a pub and cuddling up in the home - you should be social distancing from anyone you don’t live with ( apart from support bubbles)wherever you are. I’m sure some people don’t realise that - it’s got lost in the rule of 6 imo