Today's Commons debate

suziewoozie

Femi’s tweet is hybrrbolic rubbish. JRM was referring to people carping in about the testing problems. He was obnoxious, condescending, patronising and misleading but he didn’t say what Femi said he did.

Femi was paraphrasing as you are undoubtedly aware. But I entirely agree with his sentiments.

The test and trace system is a disaster. People with a disease that could potentially kill them or be spread to others can’t get tested. They can’t work so are in many cases without income to feed their families and unable to return to work because they can’t get tested.

Then Femi shouldn’t be ‘paraphrasing’ but repeating his words verbatim.

WW the testing fiasco pudding has got plenty of eggs in it as it is and adding more using inflammatory language actually detracts from the serious issues in and around it.

lemongrove

Then Femi shouldn’t be ‘paraphrasing’ but repeating his words verbatim.

Don’t be silly

Just seen on the news that 27% of those wanting ( and presumably getting) tests have no symptoms at all.

suziewoozie

WW the testing fiasco pudding has got plenty of eggs in it as it is and adding more using inflammatory language actually detracts from the serious issues in and around it.

I couldn’t disagree more.

If I said that Whitewave had just said that I should go and boil my head ( she may think it!?) when in fact her actual words were ‘don’t be silly’ then I would be paraphrasing....
But it wouldn’t be the truth!

Well what more can I say ? JRM did not say what Femi said he did nor do I think he even implied those sentiments. What he (JRM) did was try to bat away the seriousness of the testing issue and that does him no credit whatsoever.

Jaberwok

Perhaps if people hadn't flagrantly broken the Covid rules back along during the summer perhaps we wouldn't be in this position now! I think we all saw the beaches, raves, demos etc! It was obvious what would happen!

But it's going back to school and work which has driven the numbers upwards (and the families - including grandparents - breaking the rules).

I hate blame games!

lemongrove

Just seen on the news that 27% of those wanting ( and presumably getting) tests have no symptoms at all.

My hairdressers son is a month into recovery from covid. He is doing his doctorate in London and sharing a flat with 4 others. Initially one of his flat mates had some mild symptoms was tested positive. None of the others showed a single symptom, but they all decided to get tested. All tested positive.

So it is rubbish to suggested those with no symptoms should not be tested.

lemongrove

If I said that Whitewave had just said that I should go and boil my head ( she may think it!?) when in fact her actual words were ‘don’t be silly’ then I would be paraphrasing....
But it wouldn’t be the truth!

It might have been

Agree grow. The return to school and work are the drivers of the increased demand along with lack of sufficient planning for these entirely predictable outcomes.

lemongrove

Just seen on the news that 27% of those wanting ( and presumably getting) tests have no symptoms at all.

What was the reason given? I find it difficult to believe they wanted tests for the hell of it.

suziewoozie

Agree grow. The return to school and work are the drivers of the increased demand along with lack of sufficient planning for these entirely predictable outcomes.

People are being told they can't return to work or school unless they have a negative test, so of course they want one.

Maybe people should stop carping about asymptomatic people wanting tests without finding out the reasons.

The government is asking those with no symptoms at all to
not apply for a test to allow all those who have symptoms to be first in the queue.It makes sense to do this.

I can absolutely believe that some people have applied for a test with no symptoms at all. This begs the question of whether this could or should have been handled differently in terms of advice and guidance to Heads and employers.

I think that there are absolutely instances where people should be tested even thought they are presenting with zero symptoms.

It would be marvellous if anyone at all, with symptoms or without could have a test I agree, but it just isn’t possible at the moment, and the UK is testing more people per day than any other EU country ( and maybe any country at all) so we aren’t doing all that bad.

growstuff

lemongrove

Just seen on the news that 27% of those wanting ( and presumably getting) tests have no symptoms at all.

What was the reason given? I find it difficult to believe they wanted tests for the hell of it.

No idea, as it wasn’t stated.Perhaps they know somebody who has tested positive, or are simply wanting to check that they don’t have it before they go on holiday/ to work etc.

my daugher has torn a ligament and it was miss diagnosed at her local A&E. Two weeks later, in agony and with a thumb hanging off without the brace- she was told the repair should have been done straightaway. Had to have test before operation schedluled for yesterday- admitted early am, NBM, and was told to go home at 4.30 as previous ops had taken longer than expected. Has to have test again, and will hopefully have op next Wednesday. What a mess.

lemongrove

The government is asking those with no symptoms at all to
not apply for a test to allow all those who have symptoms to be first in the queue.It makes sense to do this.

So where is their data coming from? Last time I looked on FactCheck they didn't have any. It was a sort of ... errmm ... best guess ... maybe (and, anyway, we need to blame somebody).

It's known for a fact that some people, especially younger people, are asymptomatic. Children sometimes don't have "typical" symptoms anyway, but can be vectors of infection.

This was so predictable. Over 8 million children are back at school and goodness knows how many school staff are back in circulation, plus the people who have been eating out to help out and those who have gone back to working in their offices. And universities are trickling back. It doesn't really take an Einstein to work out that substantial extra testing capacity would be needed and to be organised more efficiently. How much has the taxpayer spent on all this? Sorry, Rees-Mogg, but I think people have every right to carp.

lemongrove

growstuff

lemongrove

Just seen on the news that 27% of those wanting ( and presumably getting) tests have no symptoms at all.

What was the reason given? I find it difficult to believe they wanted tests for the hell of it.

No idea, as it wasn’t stated.Perhaps they know somebody who has tested positive, or are simply wanting to check that they don’t have it before they go on holiday/ to work etc.

Very sensible of them!

Whitewavemark2

lemongrove

If I said that Whitewave had just said that I should go and boil my head ( she may think it!?) when in fact her actual words were ‘don’t be silly’ then I would be paraphrasing....
But it wouldn’t be the truth!

It might have been

Since you are always so keen on the truth WW why not just accept that Femi wasn’t telling the truth but you had accepted it as such and parroted it on here.

Sensible maybe growstuff but people with possible Covid symptoms should always come first.

This from the NHS website

Important
Only get a test if you have coronavirus symptoms or have been asked to get tested.

Do not use this service to get a test in order to travel to another country. You can pay for a private test.

This will help make sure people who need a test can get one.