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Yet another MP who doesn't keep the rules, what a hypocrite!

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janipat Thu 01-Oct-20 19:00:47

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18763865.snp-mp-margaret-ferrier-travelled-scotland-london-testing-positive-covid-19/

And it says she called for Dominic Cummings' resignation, you couldn't make it up!

GagaJo Thu 01-Oct-20 22:05:25

Cummings started this off. By his actions, he condoned this behaviour. By not sacking him (never a cat in hells chance of that), Boris has also condoned it.

Can't expect other parties to toe the line, if those leading the country can't.

Yes, she should resign, if she has any conscience at all. Disgusting way to behave. To KNOWINGLY move amongst the general public while infectious? To my mind, it should be an arrestable offence.

lemongrove Thu 01-Oct-20 22:06:18

GrannyGravy13

lemongrove I am a stickler for rules, I am asthmatic, I manage to wear a mask and my glasses steam up. I just find it hypocritical when people find any excuse to absent themselves from the rules Plenty of examples over the last six months on GN!

Quite right too??

EllanVannin Thu 01-Oct-20 22:20:02

They're the worst offenders aren't they ?
I could count on one hand the times I've had my D here since March ! I have a big " celebration " this weekend-----there'll only be me here.
I'm so vexed when I think of others who've more or less carried on as normal. I honestly give up.

Grammaretto Thu 01-Oct-20 22:49:56

It makes me think she won't be the only one breaking the rules and she has owned up. Others won't be so encouraged to own up if this MP gets dragged through the mud.
Just a thought.

janipat Thu 01-Oct-20 23:09:55

Cummings was disgraceful, the way Johnson and co co-operated with his lying cover-up statement was disgraceful, but I remember lots of posters declaring that his breaking of the rules did not excuse anybody else breaking the rules. Suddenly, here and on other social media Cummings' behaviour is the excuse for other parties not to bring their miscreants to full justice. On that basis why on earth have I subjected my special needs grandson to his (perceived) torture that our separation because of Covid 19 was. For months he couldn't see me, and it's looking that way again soon. Perhaps in the event of more restrictions I should just make a "mistake", except my law abiding son and special needs grandson keep the rules!!!

paddyanne Thu 01-Oct-20 23:47:57

I believe your remark was aimed at me lemongrove If so then I can assure you I dont think the SNP is "saintly" there are good and bad in all parties and they should all be criticised when and where necessary.I am a supporter though ,because they are our best chance of getting out of this DIS united kingdom .Like most people I do disagree with party policies ...now and again .I disagree with TORY policy always though so who to support is a no brainer .

Feelingmyage55 Fri 02-Oct-20 00:04:52

Quite shocking. Add to that the photo of Corbyn with 8 dinner guests. Maybe I’m wrong but I think I recall a man being given a prison sentence for intentionally spreading HIV. Is that a precedent for it being a crime to knowingly spread a disease? If so, then anyone knowingly breaking quarantine is surely committing a crime. Instead of a fine “for breaking quarantine” why not call it what it is “ a fine for recklessly spreading Covid”. ( As in this is why the word shoplifting is misleading, the crime is “stealing from shops”. ) I feel slightly better for having a rant. My houseplants are benefitting from all the ranting to them. Better go and calm down. No wonder I am so nervous of going out and about.

janipat Fri 02-Oct-20 00:38:17

paddyanne you didn't actually give an opinion on this MP's flagrant disregard for possibly hundreds of peoples' safety. Do you condemn her selfish actions and agree she has to pay the price for those actions, which would be her resignation (or sacking/deselection) as she felt that was the appropriate result of Cummings actions?

paddyanne Fri 02-Oct-20 00:48:37

can I just point out to Suedonim....After Ian Blackford criticised Cummings he was lamblasted over travelling 600 miles himself.
", some picked up on Mr Blackford announcing he had travelled the over 600 mile trip from London to his home on March 26.

And Mr Blackford, who has repeatedly called for Mr Cummings to be fired, then explained that he would isolate from everyone "given the prevalence of the virus in London".

The tweet ignited an online debate over whether Mr Blackford should have travelled at all. And most wrongly stated that Mr Blackford was suffering from Covid symptoms.

Sources close to Mr Blackford, said he and other MPs returned home from London, which they were entitled to do, and he has been based on Skye ever since. Many of his appearances in the House of Commons and on TV broadcasts have come from his home.

Sources say he did not have symptoms and had taken the decision to isolate as an extreme precaution because his wife Ann had a lung condition.

Mr Blackford's tweet stated: "Returned to Skye from Westminster but into isolation as a precaution away from Ann and everyone else given the prevalence of the virus in London. The right thing go do but hard not seeing Ann. #StayHomeSaveLives."

M r Blackford, along with his wife moved to the Isle of Skye in 2004, buying a croft that had previously been Mrs Blackford's family for hundreds of years.

He went home.Nothing illegal about that !

SueDonim Fri 02-Oct-20 00:52:47

You’re on the wrong thread, Paddyanne.

However, since you’ve made this post here, where did I say IB had done anything illegal? I merely commented that he’d been subject to scrutiny.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 02-Oct-20 05:57:59

Didn’t Cummings travel under the belief (or lie) that one at least of his party had Covid?

His crime was absolutely no different and yet still he continues .

I actually got annoyed by a journalist on Today I think it was, who suggested that most people had probably broken the rules because they thought it OK.

Well, I haven’t, and I’m sure many on here haven’t. I resent that sort of implication!

Lucca Fri 02-Oct-20 07:40:26

Why is this being used as an excuse to have a dig at an acknowledged SNP supporter ? As she says there is good and bad behaviour in all parties.
I just don’t get how Stanley Johnson Jeremy corbyn Dom Cummings and ms ferrier can behave so irresponsibly.

Lucca Fri 02-Oct-20 07:41:01

I haven’t either Whitewave

Lucca Fri 02-Oct-20 07:45:48

Love to have been fly on wall when Nicola Sturgeon spoke to her......

suziewoozie Fri 02-Oct-20 08:07:44

We all know why Lucca. And I think it’s about time that using generic terms like ‘some posters’ or ‘a certain poster’ when it’s clear who is meant should also be against the guidelines. It’s particularly egregious when the targeted poster isn’t even on the thread.

janipat Fri 02-Oct-20 09:35:56

Whitewavemark2 much as I despise Cummings and his actions, his family went by car, not on public transport with contact with many others knowing they had a positive result. Not "no different" at all, but yes I called for his sacking. I don't believe any of Cummings' family had the virus it was just one big lie to cover their holiday up north for his wife's birthday and Easter.
I haven't broken any rules either.

jaylucy Fri 02-Oct-20 09:45:32

Yet another one that thinks it's one rule for you and one rule for me. No doubt there are more.

Chardy Fri 02-Oct-20 09:46:58

But Cummings didn't go, and she's told the truth. I think they should both go.

Shortlegs Fri 02-Oct-20 09:49:52

She travelled on public transport knowing she had proven positive for the virus. Akin to deliberately drink driving in my book.

Callistemon Fri 02-Oct-20 09:51:55

Whitewavemark2 much as I despise Cummings and his actions, his family went by car, not on public transport with contact with many others knowing they had a positive result.

No-one was supposed to be travelling except for essential journeys. What if he'd broken down? I suppose you could call that mitigating circumstances. After all, he needed to test his eyesight.
And no-one was ever sure whether he did or did not have COVID, he and his wife told so many lies.
He's still running the country too. He has no shame.

Sorry, I digress.
They make the rules, the laws, but consider themselves above them.

I am truly vexed (good old-fashioned word, EllanVannin).

janipat Fri 02-Oct-20 10:00:34

Callistemon I wasn't defending Cummings and made exactly the arguments you've just said at the time. I just think it's even worse to travel by train, go into the House of Commons and then commit the absolutely unforgivable act of travelling back by train knowing you actually do have the virus and you can potentially spread it to tens if not hundreds of people.
Cummings, Johnson and too many others have no shame at all, I'd like to see the back of all of them.

Hetty58 Fri 02-Oct-20 10:03:00

They are an embarrassment. The whole world watches this sick pantomime. How can the public have any faith in them?

suziewoozie Fri 02-Oct-20 10:07:14

janipat I agree that it’s a spectrum - some breaches are much much more serious than others. However, the actual spectrum against which we judge and on which we place particular behaviours is what should be firmly established. The starting point for all MPs should be that they should follow all guidance/rules/laws regardless.

Carooline Fri 02-Oct-20 10:10:10

She should have self isolated in London, I dare say she could have claimed it on expenses!

suziewoozie Fri 02-Oct-20 10:11:54

She shouldn’t have travelled at all - it’s that simple.