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Trump throwing his toys out of the pram

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suziewoozie Thu 08-Oct-20 13:48:09

Won’t do a virtual debate - should be empty chaired. Good news

Jane43 Fri 04-Dec-20 13:11:30

Yes Trump’s ‘fund’ for the legal fight has some very interesting small print which means most of it can go into his personal account. Some of the details of ‘evidence’ submitted is farcical and makes me think the legal proceedings are just a front to extract money from his supporters

Ivanka now complaining that the action being taken in DC relating to fraud in connection with hiring out a function room in Trump’s hotel for his inauguration celebration for an excessive amount is ‘vindictive politics’. The daughter of one if the most vindictive people in history complaining about vindictiveness, which is in fact making people accountable for their actions, is so ironic.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Dec-20 13:21:04

Fraud springs to mind

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Dec-20 13:23:50

Biden seems to be saying the right things though. Let’s hope it materialises.

rosecarmel Fri 04-Dec-20 14:42:58

Whitewavemark2

I see Trump is busy extracting money out of his followers which appears to be very dodgy.

Totally dodgy! The guy is a shyster-

rosecarmel Fri 04-Dec-20 14:49:20

I agree with Jane regarding the legal proceedings being a front-

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Dec-20 14:54:48

I reckon he’s squirrelling away for all his debts etc. Isn’t he heavily in debt to Russian banks?

Fennel Fri 04-Dec-20 15:13:48

An interesting article in the Guardian today - rather long though :
www.theguardian.com/books/2020/dec/04/decline-and-fall-what-donald-trump-can-learn-from-the-roman-emperors

rosecarmel Tue 08-Dec-20 05:01:09

Biden has that emperor status about him as well- It just so happens that he's a Democrat, but just another authoritarian of another political color- Trump was Red, Biden blue-

He's much further to the right than Obama who was a closer to the center authoritarian, which means he sees even less of the bigger picture than Obama and is practically blind to the Liberal left -- despite the fact that without them he'd of lost the election-

The left voted for Obama who when Occupy Wall Street supporters interrupted his speeches he said, "I hear you" with words while wearing a condescending smirk-

If the latest Stimulus Package that Democrats are pushing for in Congress is any indication of what a Biden administration aims to address it's providing those that had with more than they had before and those that didn't have much, even less-

rosecarmel Tue 08-Dec-20 05:51:16

Case in point:

The most vulnerable group: the elderly- But they haven't been so much as a second thought when it comes to stimulus payout while healthy, single, young individuals received an additional 600 dollars a week on top of a percentage of their lost wages for months-

Seniors on fixed incomes received one payout of 1,200 dollars- They were stuck at home, having to pay nearly 1/2 more for their groceries to be delivered because they could not go to the store-

Do the math- Inflated food prices, delivery fee, service fee and then mandatory tip-

People with disabilities and underlying health conditions? No different: one payout-

The homeless? Not only did they have to navigate a pandemic having no safe space, but had to jump through red tape loops to register to get a stimulus check and if they didn't register by the deadline they were shit out of luck-

varian Thu 10-Dec-20 18:18:53

As President Donald Trump's days in the White House wane, his administration is racing through a string of federal executions.

Five executions are scheduled before President-elect Joe Biden's 20 January inauguration - breaking with an 130-year-old precedent of pausing executions amid a presidential transition.

And if all five take place, Mr Trump will be the country's most prolific execution president in more than a century, overseeing the executions of 13 death row inmates since July of this year.

The five executions are to begin this week, starting with convicted killers 40-year-old Brandon Bernard and 56-year-old Alfred Bourgeois. They are both scheduled to be put to death at a penitentiary in Terre Haute, Indiana.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55236260

varian Thu 10-Dec-20 19:05:02

Brandon Bernard: First execution of Trump's final days to go ahead

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55261224

varian Thu 10-Dec-20 19:08:24

The last time executions were carried out during a lame-duck period was during the presidency of Grover Cleveland in the 1890s.

news.sky.com/story/trump-administration-to-execute-man-in-hours-as-kim-kardashian-joins-last-ditch-calls-to-save-death-row-inmate-12157081

varian Thu 10-Dec-20 19:36:27

Leading Republican Mitt Romney calls for Trump's false claims to stop as Joe Biden's lead in the popular vote rises to over 7 million

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/mitt-romney-republicans-electoral-college-b1768744.html

Jane43 Fri 11-Dec-20 12:21:00

Trump will be remembered for all the wrong things. He was always an advocate for the death penalty. When five young men were imprisoned in 1989 for raping a female jogger in Central Park (wrongly it turned out) he spent $85000 on a full page advertisement calling for the death penalty for the five young men. Even when the real culprit was found and the young men were released after enduring many years in prison Trump still insisted they were guilty, well he’s never wrong is he, even when there is evidence to the contrary.

MaizieD Fri 11-Dec-20 14:34:58

Are there any 'right things' to remember, Jane43?

I'm heartbroken and disgusted by these executions. What a disgusting person Trump is. The death penalty doesn't belong in any civilised country.

Parsley3 Fri 11-Dec-20 14:51:45

rosecarmel your description of the treatment of the elderly and vulnerable is quite distressing. It sounds as if no President, in recent times, has been at all interested in addressing these problems. I have tended to think that Obama was more in tune with what was needed because of the job he did before election but from what you say that is not the case and you are not holding out much hope for Biden either. What needs to be done?

rosecarmel Sat 12-Dec-20 03:38:38

Parsley, Congress continues to squabble over stimulus funding- This has gone on for months- It's a deliberate decision to allow people to go hungry- One would think food insecurity would be a government's priority but it's not- They are arguing over who will get the money and how much-

I'm thoroughly disgusted with Republicans and Democrats alike-

They need to distribute stimulus checks immediately- We now know just how quickly the government can actually move when it decides to- But it's returned to moving at a snails pace once again- And they could care less-

If there were a food shortage I could understand- But there isn't one- It's shocking- People are waiting for hours in line at food banks that are running low on food due to a decrease in donations-

rosecarmel Sat 12-Dec-20 03:58:38

He will be remembered fondly by some of the families that have waited for these executions to take place- And that's been a part of his plan all along, to play on people's emotions and gain their unwavering support- Many Trump signs from the election remain up- Quite a few of them wrecked from weather-

rosecarmel Sat 12-Dec-20 13:17:47

From the NYT via Yahoo news:

Jobless Benefits Saved Them, Until States Wanted the Money Back

Unemployment payments that looked like a lifeline may now, for many, become their ruin.

Pandemic Unemployment Assistance — a federal program that covers gig workers, part-time hires, seasonal workers and others who do not qualify for traditional unemployment benefits — has kept millions afloat. The program, established by Congress in March as part of the coronavirus relief law, has provided over $70 billion in relief.

But in carrying out the hastily conceived program, states have overpaid hundreds of thousands of workers — often because of administrative errors. Now states are asking for that money back.

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The notices come out of the blue, with instructions to repay thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars. Those being billed, already living on the edge, are told that their benefits will be reduced to compensate for the errors — or that the state may even put a lien on their home, come after future wages or withhold tax refunds.

Many who collected payments are still out of a job, and may have little prospect of getting one. Most had no idea that they were being overpaid.

“When somebody gets a bill like this, it completely terrifies them,” said Michele Evermore, a senior policy analyst for the National Employment Law Project, a nonprofit workers’ rights group. Sometimes the letters themselves are in error — citing overpayments when benefits were correctly paid — but either way, she said, the stress “is going to cost people’s lives.”

The hastily conceived Pandemic Unemployment Assistance program has presented other troubles, including widespread fraud schemes and challenges with processing. As a result, states only recently had enough resources to start sending out overpayment notices. In the meantime, people have been collecting — and spending — sometimes thousands of dollars in what they understood to be legitimate benefits.

Olive Stewart, 56, an immigrant from Jamaica, worked part time as a sous-chef at a cafeteria at a Jewish school in Philadelphia, earning $16 an hour for roughly 25 hours a week. But when the pandemic hit and schools shut down, she was laid off.

Stewart applied for Pandemic Unemployment Assistance and began receiving $234 a week. It was not quite enough to cover the $650 in rent, $200 electric bill and $200 internet bill for the house she shares with her 12-year-old daughter, her retired mother and her sister, who has a disability that prevents her from working. To make ends meet, Stewart started dipping into her savings.

Then, on Oct. 6, she got a notice saying that Pennsylvania’s unemployment insurance vendor, Geographic Solutions, had overpaid her by accident. The overpayment included funds from Pandemic Unemployment Assistance and from a $600 federal supplement to unemployment insurance. In total, she was told, she would have to pay back nearly $8,000.

To collect the debt, the state began to withhold more than half of her unemployment payments, leaving her just $105 a week. In early November, the state began taking all of her unemployment benefits, leaving her with no income. She has yet to pay her December rent.

“The state should be paying attention to what they are sending out,” Stewart said. “It was their mistake, and I’ve already spent all the money on food and rent. How am I going to pay it back?”

Geographic Solutions made duplicate payments for 30,000 Pennsylvania claims because of a system problem, a $280 million mistake, the State Department of Labor and Industry said. (The company says the problem arose from a one-day error that was immediately reported.) Overpayments can also occur if an applicant makes a mistake on a form, as ProPublica reported, or if a state determines that a recipient should not have been eligible.

As of Sept. 30, about 27% of those approved for Pandemic Unemployment Assistance in Ohio had been overpaid, about 162,000 claims. In mid-November, the figure in Colorado was about 29,000; in Texas, it was over 41,000.

Many states waive overpayments on regular unemployment insurance when no fraud is involved, or when paying the money back would cause someone significant hardship. But the federal rules for Pandemic Unemployment Assistance prohibit forgiveness. Even if the state is at fault, the recipient is on the hook.

States often start collecting the overpayment automatically, by withholding a portion — from 30% to 100% — of future unemployment benefit payments.

Many overpayments arose because state unemployment systems are designed to calculate benefits using W-2 forms, employer records, pay stubs and other documents associated with traditional jobs. But because gig workers and part-timers had different sorts of documentation, states had to adapt quickly to a new method of processing and approving claims.

Mistakes in the rollout were inevitable, said Behnaz Mansouri, a senior attorney for the Unemployment Law Project, a nonprofit legal aid organization in Seattle.

“For a new system to have such a punitive response when the system itself fails seems overly harsh and draconian,” Mansouri said.

Gina Jones, 29, was furloughed in March from her part-time job at a breakfast bar at a Quality Inn in Spokane, Washington, and began receiving $750 a week from the pandemic program, which allowed her to pay for rent, food and necessities for her two daughters, ages 1 and 5. She was called back to work in July, and now works about 28 hours a week at $13.50 an hour.

Then, in mid-November, she checked her unemployment portal online and saw a message that she had been overpaid by nearly $12,500. She fears that the state will start garnishing her wages to collect the debt.

“I already used that money to support my family,” Jones said. “It’s all gone, and I can’t afford to pay it back.”

Asking people to pay back unemployment funds can undermine the unemployment system’s goal of stabilizing the economy, said Philip Spesshardt, branch manager for benefits services at the Colorado Division of Unemployment Insurance.

If a person’s unemployment checks are reduced each week because of an overpayment, the recipient will have less cash to pay bills and patronize local businesses.

“Ultimately that has a cascading effect on many of those small businesses, causing them to close permanently and further adding to the unemployment rate,” Spesshardt said.

While overpayments under the federal program cannot be waived, applicants can appeal demands for reimbursement after the notice is issued. But the time allowed for appeal can be as little as seven days. After that, the process can be slow, confusing and cumbersome.

Colorado has taken steps to address the hardships of reimbursement. In October, after the state noted the large number of overpayments, it determined that the application form was confusing because it did not specify whether the person filing was supposed to provide gross or net income. It decided to “write off” cases where the recipients had submitted earnings and tax documentation that would have allowed the correct benefit to be calculated.

Asked how the policy squared with the federal prohibition against forgiveness, a spokesperson for the Colorado Department of Labor and Employment cited “the administrative burden that it would create for us to collect on these overpayments given competing priorities.”

House Democrats have called for renewed pandemic relief to include a provision allowing states to waive overpayments when workers cannot repay them without severe hardship. The provision would apply to previous and future cases. A separate House bill, with bipartisan sponsorship, provides for forgiveness if the overpayment was not the recipient’s fault and “such repayment would be contrary to equity and good conscience.”

But the possibility of a remedy is not much consolation to those wondering how they will pay rent and put food on the table in the meantime.

William and Diana Villafana, 55 and 34, who before the pandemic ran a car rental business in Henderson, Nevada, were told in late October that between them, they had been overpaid by more than $7,000. To cover that debt, the state is taking all of William Villafana’s benefits, and giving Diana Villafana $73 a week. They are using credit cards for their $2,000 monthly rent, as well as utilities, food and other necessities.

“I don’t think they understand that unemployment benefits are for survival,” William Villafana said. “Or if they do understand it, they don’t care.”

Villafana worries about how he will continue to provide for their son and daughter, ages 6 and 7. When his daughter recently asked for a paintbrush set and an easel, he didn’t know what to tell her.

“It’s kind of hard to explain to them, ‘Look, you can’t do this’ or ‘I can’t buy you that,’” he said. “I have no idea what we’re going to do about Christmas.”

news.yahoo.com/jobless-benefits-saved-them-until-195227771.html

rosecarmel Tue 15-Dec-20 04:56:37

President Trump supports stimulus checks- President elect Biden supports stimulus checks- Congress has cut them out of their stimulus package- And they still have yet to reach an agreement after paring their package down to next to nothing-

gmarie Tue 15-Dec-20 10:03:21

rosecarmel The sticking points are protections for corporations, etc. , against future lawsuits (for example an employee may want to sue a meat plant for not being honest about Covid numbers) for which republicans are holding out and funding to help states on the democrats' side. It's frustrating to me that relief for families and unemployed people is shackled to the rest but it's irritating that if it wasn't, once again, bad actors would not be held accountable for selfish, greedy actions.

rosecarmel Tue 15-Dec-20 12:47:05

Another sticking point was people receiving considerably more from unemployment than they did on the job-

Rhinestone Tue 15-Dec-20 13:34:48

RosecarmelI wouldn’t call it stimulus checks. It’s not stimulating the economy. It’s money for people to pay rent and eat.
One side wants to protect big corporations as always. They grabbed the money last time. It’s the little guy, the small restaurant owner or store owner that needs the money.
They better not go on holiday with people starving over here. At least we have the vaccine now .

gmarie Tue 15-Dec-20 20:27:48

rosecarmel And here in CA, we have the huge, added problem that billions were grabbed by incarcerated people in an organized effort with associates on the outside. angry sad

rosecarmel Tue 15-Dec-20 20:33:28

I wasn't at ALL aware of that, gmarie- But will look into it-

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